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Wtf? How does a plane vanish?

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  1. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    See post 146 and 148 mate. ;)

    It was just a silly theory, just like your's there with the hiding passengers thing.
     
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  2. Blunham Mackem

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    Didn't notice them mate. In a hurry to get out!

    It's Saturday night! Wahay!!
     
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  3. Brian Storm

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    Have fun fella. :)
     
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  4. its been fun thanks :)

    its been fun thanks :) ♬♬Badum-tish! ♬♬
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    t'internet :emoticon-0182-poolp
     
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    I blame the muslims
     
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  6. Brian Storm

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    It's as good a place to start as any.
     
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    It's always them
     
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  8. Brian Storm

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    Next time I go to the dentist I'm going to dress like this. See how my dentist likes it.

    please log in to view this image
     
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  9. Billy Death

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    Canny looking lass, I would.
     
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  10. Brian Storm

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    "Deliberate action" diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane after its communications were cut, according to Malaysia's Prime Minister.

    Najib Razak was speaking shortly before it was reported the pilot's house was being searched by police.

    At a packed news conference, Mr Razak stopped short of saying flight MH370 had been hijacked, despite a government official earlier saying this was the case.

    But it emerged that satellite data suggested the jet had continued flying for hours after its last detection by civilian radar.

    Mr Razak stressed "all possibilities" were being looked into to try to resolve the mystery surrounding the flight's fate. It left Kuala Lumpur last Saturday bound for Beijing with 239 people on board.

    Shortly after he finished speaking, officers began searching the house of 53-year-old pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, Reuters reported. The official said they had gone to collect evidence that could help with the investigation.

    The final satellite communication with the Boeing 777 came more than six and a half hours after it disappeared from civilian radar at 1.30am local time on March 8 (5.30pm UK time the previous day).

    In this period the aircraft changed direction and passed back over the Malaysian peninsula towards the Indian Ocean.

    Data confirmed an unidentified aircraft that later appeared on military radar off Malaysia's west coast before going out of range at 2.15am was flight MH370.

    "Up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane," Mr Razak said.

    The search, which involves 14 countries, 43 ships and 58 aircraft, now encompasses two "corridors".

    The first is a northern corridor from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand, and the second is a southern corridor from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean

    The plane first lost contact with air traffic controllers in the South China Sea, and Mr Razak said the search there would be called off.

    He said: "Clearly the search for MH370 has entered a new phase. We hope this new information brings us one step closer to finding the plane."

    Most of the passengers on board were Chinese, and relatives gathered in Beijing to listen to Mr Razak's news conference. The address left many with unanswered questions, and some angrily suggested foul play.

    Experts have told Sky News that a hijacking scenario is looking "increasingly likely"

    Earlier, a source close to the investigation said satellite pulses picked up from the flight show it may have been flying off-course for several hours before running out of fuel over the Indian Ocean.

    Analysis of military radar tracking and pulses has provided two different theories as to what may have happened to the plane, the unnamed source said.

    The electronic signals are believed to have been transmitted for up to five hours after ground control lost contact with the aircraft, according to Sky sources.

    The signals are 'pings' sent by the plane to confirm it is still there and to allow the network to determine its position.

    The source close to the investigation said the most likely possibility is that after travelling northwest, the Boeing 777 made a sharp turn to the south, over the Indian Ocean where officials think, based on the data, it flew until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea.

    The other interpretation is the plane continued to fly to the northwest and headed over Indian territory.

    But the source said it was believed unlikely the plane flew for any length of time over India because that country has strong air defence and radar coverage which should have allowed authorities to see the plane.
     
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  11. Blunham Mackem

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    Idiot
     
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  12. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Special live news conference on sky news just started now
     
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  13. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    The plot thickens

    Missing Malaysia plane: Malaysia requests countries' help
    28 minutes ago

    Missing Malaysia plane: News conference
    Malaysian officials say they are requesting assistance from a number of countries along the two possible routes the Malaysian plane that disappeared over a week ago may have taken.

    The search now covers a very wide area - from central Asia to the southern Indian Ocean.

    The move comes after the authorities said the communications systems of flight had been deliberately disabled.

    The Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight is believed to have then changed course.

    Investigators are focusing on trying to obtain the radar data from any of the countries that flight MH370 may have passed over.

    Malaysian officials are contacting countries including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Australia and France.

    They are also asking countries to provide assistance in the search for the plane, including satellite data and analysis, ground-search capabilities, and maritime and air assets.

    The police are also reportedly looking at the family life and psychological state of the plane's pilot, Zaharie Shah, and co-pilot, and searched their homes on Saturday.

    Officers spoke to relatives of the pilot and experts are examining the pilot's flight simulator.

    Those who know Mr Zaharie insist he is a normal family man, reports the BBC's Jonah Fisher in Kuala Lumpur.

    Fifty-three years old - with 18,000 hours of flying experience - he is a self-confessed "aviation geek" and proudly posted pictures online of the flight simulator he built at home.

    As well as the crew and passengers, police are investigating the engineers who may have had contact with the aircraft before take-off.



    'Two corridors'

    According to satellite evidence, the Boeing 777 could have continued flying for a further seven hours after its last radar contact, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Saturday.

    He added the plane could be anywhere from Kazakhstan to the Indian Ocean. The two corridors are being treated with equal importance in the search efforts.

    The flight left Kuala Lumpur for Beijing at 00:40 local time (16:40 GMT) on 8 March and disappeared off air traffic controllers' screens at about 01:20.

    One of the aircraft's communications systems - the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) - was disabled just before it had reached the east coast of Malaysia, Mr Razak said.

    ACARS is a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground, relaying in-flight information about the health of its systems.

    Shortly afterwards, near the crossover point between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic controllers, the plane's transponder - which emits an identifying signal - was switched off, he said.

    According to a military radar, the aircraft then turned and flew back over Malaysia before heading in a north-west direction.

    A satellite was able to pick up a signal from the plane until 08:11 local time - more than seven hours after it lost radar contact - although it was unable to give a precise location, Mr Razak said.

    He went on to say that based on this new data, investigators "have determined the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors":

    a northern corridor stretching from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand
    a southern corridor stretching from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean
    Along with the Chinese passengers, there were 38 Malaysians and citizens of Iran, the US, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands on board.

    An extensive search - involving 14 countries, 43 ships and 58 aircraft - since the plane disappeared has proved fruitless.
     
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    Like 9/11 Black flag don't believe the hype!
     
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    This like a episode of Lost but on the reverse side. Now it's like they now saying 25 countries are involved in a conspiracy propaganda!
     
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  16. Blunham Mackem

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    They're asking them to check their radar records <doh>
     
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    with every passenger probably having a mobile phone anything other than an instant destruction seems impossible ,someone would have made a call in any other circumstance at some point one would think ?
     
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  18. Commachio

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    This makes sense.
     
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  19. Brian Storm

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    The pilots on the missing Malaysia Airlines plane did not ask to fly together, authorities announced as they relaunched a major search operation.
    New details have been revealed about pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid's personal and religious backgrounds.
    Their homes have been searched as investigators try to find out what happened to flight MH370 carrying 239 people.
    The plane vanished around 40 minutes into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
    Investigators say the jet was deliberately diverted and its tracking devices disabled.
    Satellite data suggested the plane flew for at least seven hours - more than six hours after the last radio contact - and it could have reached north into Central Asia or much further south in the Indian Ocean.
    Mr Zaharie, who has more than 18,000 hours flying experience and joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981, is known to be an avid aviation enthusiast.
    Police are examining a flight simulator found at his home and are also investigating engineers who might have had contact with the jet.
    Malaysia Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein told a news conference: "Officers visited the home of the pilot. They spoke to family members, and experts are examining the pilot's flight simulator.
    "The police also visited the home of the co-pilot. According to Malaysia Airlines, the pilot and co-pilot did not ask to fly together on MH370."
    A fresh emphasis has been placed on the pilots' psychological state, family life and connections.
    Investigators are convinced the plane was diverted by someone who knew how to switch off its communications and tracking systems.
    "We are not ruling out any sort of motivation at the moment," a senior police official said.
    A series of claims have been made about 53-year-old Mr Zaharie, who has attracted a greater focus than 27-year-old co-pilot Mr Fariq.
    Postings on Mr Zaharie's Facebook page suggest he was a politically active opponent of the coalition that has ruled Malaysia for 57 years since the country's independence.
    Just hours before the plane took off, opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim was convicted of sodomy and sentenced to five years in prison, in a ruling his supporters and international human rights groups say was politically influenced.
    He was found guilty after an earlier acquittal was overturned and it has been reported Mr Zaharie was at his trial this month.
    There has been a suggestion that Mr Zaharie was upset at Mr Ibrahim's conviction, but the opposition leader's office told Sky News that is entirely implausible.
    Asked if Mr Zaharie's background as an opposition supporter was being examined, a senior police officer would only say: "We need to cover all our bases."

    Other aviation experts say Mr Zaharie having a flight simulator at his home is not unusual - but it has been another focus for investigators.
    The senior police official said: "With Zaharie, the flight simulator games were looked at closely."
    He said they appeared to be normal programmes that allow players to practise flying and landing in different conditions.
    Co-pilot Mr Fariq recently graduated to the cockpit of the Boeing 777.
    His behaviour was criticised three years ago, when pictures emerged of him inviting two female passengers to sit in the cockpit during a flight.
     
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  20. Cyclops

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    Copied this from another website, seems to give an idea of how radar works & possibilities of how the plane could have disappeared from it.



    I have been a private pilot for 35 years. Here are a couple of things non-pilots might not know about radar.

    There is &#8216;primary&#8217; radar and there is &#8216;secondary&#8217; radar. Primary radar consists of echos passively reflected from an object (in this case an aircraft). A burst of UHF RF is transmitted by a radar facility, bounces off any aircraft that it is pointed to, and the echo is received back at the radar facility. The time it takes the echo to return determines the distance to the aircraft. The direction the radar antenna was pointed determines direction to the aircraft. There is generally no altitude determined.

    Secondary radar is a completely different thing. Secondary radar is accomplished by an active transmission from an aircraft. A radar facility transmits a request for aircraft to identify. A transponder on the aircraft responds with the aircraft&#8217;s assigned 4-digit octal &#8216;squawk&#8217; code, usually its altitude, and sometimes other information determining on the capabilities of the transponder. Computers at the radar facility pair primary echoes with secondary responses.

    Virtually ALL aircraft have transponders. Yes, even virtually all private aircraft.

    In the case of MH370 &#8211; The reported loss of secondary radar response, while primary response continued, is very significant. It suggests that somebody, or something, switched off the transponder and continued flying the airplane which was seen for a while longer by primary radar. That&#8217;s really odd.

    A hijacking comes to mind, either by onboard and aircraft-knowledgeable people or by electronics. There is a specific &#8216;squawk&#8217; code that a pilot dials into a transponder to silently tell ATC facilities that the aircraft has been hijacked. Since that reportedly did not happen, if the airplane was hijacked then whoever or whatever hijacked it knew enough to turn off the transponder.

    Could the airplane have been hijacked by a someone not on board, by electronics? Absolutely yes. Most Boeing 757, 767, 777, and 787 aircraft are wired to be controlled from the ground in the event of a hijacking. (I won&#8217;t comment here on the implications for 9/11.)

    Hijacked by an AWACs, or from the ground, or from a ship? Possible.
     
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