I actually find Guardiolas teams boring to watch sometimes, he is obsessed with possession even if it means his team going nowhere for 5-10 mins.
Suppose in Rodgers' next three years, we continue to get to 3d and 4th spots in the league and get to the R16 and QFs in the CL... Then, with Rodger's new contract running out, should FSG follow their ambition for a big title more aggressively and stir the pot with a big name manager to eventually reach that title sooner than later? Or should they go the patient "top4 makes us content enough" Arsenal's route (I don't want to be nostalgic and feign that in 2016-17 matters are comparable to Shankley's or Ferguson's ramping starts, cause football eras have changed this new millenium)...
fine by me as he needs to gain some cl experience before he can master the tournament. also what if he betters what you are saying he achieves? we then have an experienced long term manager who will take us back to good times again hopefully.
3/4 consistently would be a big gain as long as City and Chelsea can flout FFP and spend bazillions more than us each summer whilst we quibble over £1mill on a £7mill marque summer signing. If we splash cash comparable to those above us and fail to get closer it may require another look. If we're spending less but not falling away, that would show our manager is more competative than those above us.
No, what that is, is a 100% watertight foolproof defence system, marketed in the more catchy label "death by football"...
That argument is precisely the one that the pro-Wenger's camp makes. But then, also right IMO, is the argument: Arsenal, as Liverpool would, have an equal if not superior commercial leg to invest on, and failure to go for the big signings is not as much fear of FFP as it is fear of investment, fear of good old business risk. Arsenal, imo, look beyond pathetic with their £170M reserves sitting in their accounts. If they had invested more before, they would be sitting on similar cash on TOP OF a couple of prestigious trophies perhaps and certainly better league and UCL showings.
I don't blame lack of spending on Rodgers though. Its obvious he wanted someone to replace Andy Carroll. He wanted Kono. He wanted several people in summer. If we don't spend ambitiously its not Rodgers call.,
No thanks, he's apparently on a salary of £22m a year... much rather spend that money on a player than a him. He must be a very good manager, but so far he has only really walked into a Barca team that were best in the world and pretty much just needed to turn up to beat sides, and now Bayern who dominate the league most seasons and just won the treble.
Should BR get you back to elite level, why get rid of him? Surely he'd more than deserve the chance to win major trophies then.
because elite level without trophies still lays the same question by the owners. especially so at a big club where the owner is ambitious and willing to invest. City & Chelsea have let managers go in the wake of their league and UCL titles and FA cups. Arsenal, on the other hand, have been elite yet parched of glory. Probably a way of managing ambition lying between those two models is best.
A little bit of symmantics here. I wouldn't really call Arsenal elite anymore. Very good. A tier below elite. You don't go 10 years without a trophy and get to be called elite. 2 clubs in Britain can be called Elite at the moment. City and Chelsea. Until recently Utd could. Its been a while since ourselves or Arsenal deserved that title.
we shouldn't be mired in semantics... as this is a much broader argument than what 'elite' should mean. However, in my opinion, United is still elite and Arsenal too (United has been top 3 in both value and revenues in the world for a very long time, ditto Arsenal in top 5, with revenues topping City's)
Guys what if this thing happens then another thing happens then another thing happens? Will we then proceed to make another thing happen? I don't get this thread. Rodgers is doing a grand job at the moment. If in 3-4 years he is still doing a grand job and we are competing towards the top end of the table why would we consider changing him? Better yet, why is it even seen as remotely possible that Pep Guardiola would manage Liverpool? It isn't out of the realms of possibility for sure, but it is highly improbable. I also don't understand any criticisms of Pep's style of play. It is easily the most effective, nearly unbeatable style of football that has ever been played in the history of the game. You've got to admire that.
The Arsenal model is the one we are mostly likely to follow in the coming years considering we have a stadium to pay for!
Speculation is the name of the game, Crumps... Thing is nobody knows what objectives FSG will attach to Rodgers new contract. Will they be more akin to Chelsea/City in the agressiveness of their ambitions or more patient like Arsenal (and now United)? Somewhere in the middle perhaps. Not sure what they would consider success by the time Brendan's new contract runs out. But I hope that even if they think Brendan's reached his limit, they don't go for a Guardiola or Mourinho.
It cost Arsenal £400m - we'll splash less than half that, but yeah, good point, that. Arsenal were far more parsimonious than needed though.
I think the potential was there (especially in the early days), I remember watching a behind the scenes training session on liverpoolfc.com (or .tv as it was), 9 vs 9 on a 5 a side pitch, one touch passing - it was awful!! I remember Charlie Adam receiving the ball, it flicking off the boot and smacking him in the hand while Andy Carroll lummoxed about like a rabid horse with 3 legs. I reckon Brendan proper cringes when he watches Being: Liverpool - its sad to think that he had no choice but to do that show. lets also not forget the dossier he presented to FSG showing how he'd transform from where we were to where we're going (I'd love to read that)
we have half the stadium built! we also purchased houses over 20 years. we can get 60k seats for far less than arsenal and perserve the magic too boot. Its only the main stand (upper) and anfield road end (again) being totally redeveloped right? Thats achievable and if we are in CL the 20mil per year transfer budget aint impossible. Arsenal's model is not possible in Liverpool. we don't have a highbury in a great area to build apartments on and sell for huge profits.
