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Why are we bashing Mo?

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by swedehead76, Feb 22, 2014.

  1. swedehead76

    swedehead76 Member

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    So what, we're out of the cup....

    So what we lose to Spam, were gonnna be higher than tem at the death anyway...

    We have a manager, who is not just as passionate about he club as what we are, who is is gonna bring some amazing players forward and bring more media attention to us and will fight to bring in better players when he's allowed.

    Why are some people bashing him??

    I'd happy let him sign a 10 year deal!!!

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Don Cortese

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  3. tomw24

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    I'd be more than happy if he signed a 10 year deal, but it doesn't mean that I won't criticise him. Some people on here think he can do no wrong.
     
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  4. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    Exactly this. Nobody's "bashing" him.
     
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  5. I Sorry I Ruined The Party

    I Sorry I Ruined The Party Well-Known Member

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    It's fair to question whether teams have adjusted to the system which at least a few experts familiar with Pochettino predicted might happen.

    The other issue is whether our team is wearing down. To some extent, that might be due to lack of depth which was inevitable, but we'll have to see in the summer. Maybe we get some new players in or the young guys step up. Or if not, then MP needs to figure out a way to rotate players and get more out of what we have.

    And I still think he bears some responsibility for Osvaldo, so we'll have to see what kind of transfer targets we aim for going forward.

    I think he has made some mistakes but overall has been very good. But we haven't gone to the next step where we see if he learns from the mistakes or if they were one-offs or if maybe it wasn't Cortese pushing those buttons or if they are a pattern of behavior from him.

    Pochettino's only been here a short while, so I would definitely *not* be signing him to a 10 year contract until we see him for at least another season. It's not just a matter of a manager being good or bad, but also whether they fit with the club's budget, ambition, playing style, etc.

    I would say the same of any manager in his position really, I've really no serious complaints about what he's done so far. The one thing I really like about him so far is his use of the academy players. I've seen enough there where I believe it's part of his philosophy, he'll continue to do it, and he does it well.

    I really can't say anyone on these boards has judged MP unfairly. I think some people have been a bit OTT as far as the Cup loss goes, and maybe arguing too much about things we can't know for sure yet. But I think some people are just naturally more negative/argumentative while others more positive/go-along-get-along and that's more the source of any friction. The issues being raised by those who sometimes question MP are fair ones.
     
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  6. Beef

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    So what was the crap over the past week? There's having a go because you feel he did wrong. But the same **** was said over and over again.

    A few people on this forum go bat **** crazy when ever we have a bad result. Like today having a go because he didn't play Lovren.
     
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  7. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    You make mistakes, you get judged for them. That's not "bashing".

    Of course there are the odd occasions when people go too far but to frame all criticism as equally unwarranted or poorly judged is ridiculous.
     
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  8. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying every criticism is equal tho. :p
    Some people can hold a valid debate and talk about it, agreeing to disagree etc. Some just go full on crazy mode.
     
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  9. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    Well we're always going to have people who fit that description. Perhaps best to ignore them.
     
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  10. Joe!

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    Fuk tha haterz.
     
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  11. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    I will congratulate him when he gets it right, and ask questions when he gets it wrong. It's my job as a fan to be critical because I want what's best for the team. Id be ecstatic if he signed a 10 year deal.
    As far as I can see no one has bashed him.
     
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  12. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    I think that there are some who just really hate it when we lose and verbally "lash out". The players were crap ("should never wear the shirt again" is a particular favourite of mine). Sometimes they even come on the next day and apologise. This is where the bashing takes place. It sounds and is very emotional. Criticism of a more moderate tone is easier to engage with, but I generally don't feel the need to argue about this stuff. I am constantly surprised by folks who seem to have the inside track on our players fitness, performance during the weeks training and even their state of mind and motivations. Boy, you guys are good!;)
     
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  13. SAINTDON13

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    Is it that now that NC has departed, there is a lessening of the ambition and drive? The fear of losing isn't so much of a threat to Poch now, so he might be in too much of a comfort zone. A bit simplistic I guess. As long as there are no extraordinary disasters we are safely mid table and can perhaps experiment a bit, where losing a game or two won't be a disaster, more of a learning curve. The real problem with the Sunderland game was the fact we lost when we should have won while we were in a strong run of form. It set's up a mentality which is hard to ward off. I feel that looking at yesterdays stats, that should we come up against another team with doubts, that they will be on the end of an embarrasing scoreline, it is rare to have 25 attempts on goal and only find the net once, it isn't logical.
     
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  14. San Tejón

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    I don't think he is doing too much wrong.

    Yesterday's loss wasn't due to him, getting it wrong, but our players not hitting the target, when decent goal scoring chances were created.
    We still dominate games, but despite this we either create too few chances, or (as yesterday) waste them when we do. And this despite having 3 attacking players that are among England's best!
    I don't think we fail to win games, because other managers have "worked us out", but simply because our attacking/creative players are inconsistent.

    MP has been here for only a short time, and the improvement he has got from so many players, is to be admired.
    Unfortunately, some are probably as good as they will ever get, which means, for me, that MP's real test will come in the next transfer window.
     
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  15. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Mauricio has had a good season. We were all guilty of getting over excited at the beginning of the season...a kind league start combined with us being fitter and more match ready than the rest of the league (after an effective preseason). We didn't collapse, we have continued to get decent results...every team loses some games. We also did okay after Nicola left...so no sign of collapse there either. I like our style and I like Mauricio, so would happy for him to get a contract extension. Not a 10 yr one though, because that is pointless as managers can still leave/be sacked. A new 3-5 yr one will do nicely.
     
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  16. saintlyhero

    saintlyhero Well-Known Member

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    How often do you see it when a manager has a decent season, expectations get raised and he ends up out the door or fans get on his back because the next season is not quite as good?
    I hope Pochettino gets the resources next season to allow him to push the team forward, but realistically it's going to be incredibly difficult to make massive strides without teams above us having proper meltdowns.

    I think it's pretty clear that the squad needs bolstering up and thats not just in depth but quality too
     
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  17. ItchenNorth

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    If you pay to go to games regularly then you have a right to moan, but at the end of the day everyone has there own opinions.
     
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