I love that quote from Sir Henry Cecil talking to BBC 5 Live and saying that Frankel was “getting bored” at the end of the 2000 Guineas. Presumably he was getting bored today. Queally should have let Rerouted lead him into the straight then he could have kicked away and coasted home. Cornelius Lysaght tweeting from Berkshire reckons that Frankel may be stepped up to ten furlongs for the Juddmonte International at York in August. Is he allowed to speculate or offer an opinion when working for impartial Auntie?
The horse was tired at the end of the Guineas(understandable) and the horse was tired today, the idling excuse cracks me up! I do believe Frankel is something special, and I do think he is the best miler I've seen for many years, but today was a poor showing, mainly due to the stupid riding tactics, if je goes to rhe Sussex and Queally makes a similar mistake he will get beat, Canford Cliffs will pick him up late on. If Frankel is held on to until the last 2 furlongs, then he will win the Sussex comfortably
Is everyone completely confident after today that Frankel didn't do any lasting harm with THAT Guineas performance? Maybe that old fart Jim McGrath wasn't so far out with his crass comments in the immediate aftermath about that sort of showing leaving a lasting scar on the horse...? I definitely don't think it was purely riding tactics (as Shergs says) sure they were even more aggressive with him in the Guineas than they were with him today so blaming the riding tactics for todays performances is an argument with more holes in it than a sieve...
Fair point Beef.....But I think the riding tactics in the Guineas killed off the rest early on were as today they settled Frankel and then tried to win with a burst of speed from 4 furlongs out, and the competition he was facing had not been blown away early, so they were still full of running. Personally I feel the pacemaker caused the problem, Queally has seen how far infront the pacemaker was and panicked so he's sent Frankel on to pick him up, worried about giving him a big start. A more experienced jockey would have realised the pacemaker was going to easily come back to them In the home straight and sat tight until the last 2 furlongs
Does anyone think that Tom Queally simply isn't up to the task of riding these good horses? He gave away the Coronation Cup by going far too soon on Midday and he almost blew it today by needlessly committing Frankel so far out. I think he crapped himself when he saw the Japanese horse on his outside thinking it might ease over to the rail and possibly leaving him vulnerable to getting boxed in so he stupidly went for it at that point. I honestly don't believe Henry Cecil when he said the horse was getting bored in front. In my opinion he was out on his feet. I don't think Frankel will win another race after today. I can't see him getting 10f at York and I think Canford Cliffs wil beat him if he goes to Goodwood. He looks a tired horse to me.
Chance Gardner....i'd agree with that 2 big rides he's bottled, he's just fortunate enough to have such a talented horse underneath, Frankel has so much in hand that he can even overcome a numpty onboard, but Midday did not have enough in hand to overcome SNA. I believe if you switched the jocks ag Epsom and had Moore on Midday the fillie would have won impressively! Henry Cecil is no idiot and j think he is aware both rides were poor, but he wouldn't knock his young jockey in public, though I expect that behind closed doors HC has had a word! He takes the ride on Twice Over tommorow and who can forget how unlucky Twice Over was in this race lady year thanks to Queally's poor ride
Considering Cecil has had the likes of Piggott, Cauthen and Fallon riding for him, Queally really is a very poor jockey by comparison. Nothing against the guy, as he seems a likeable enough person but today really showed him up for being a mediocre jockey.
How does Shergar and Chance Gardner rate Richard Hughes ride on Canford Cliffs today? Personally I thought he was cool as a cucumber and laid down a big marker for Frankel if they meet later in the season?
Yes RH gave CC a decent ride, but it was In a small field, and his fellow jockeys didn't make it difficult for him and allowed the match between the big 2! It was a good ride but I wouldn't say it was anything special, it didn't need to be, the tactics were to track Goldikova and to react to any move she made, and do her for speed late on, and his fellow jockeys on the also rans didn't make it difficult for him to do it! If the Hannons have the bottle to risk CCs reputation at the BC then Hughes will have to give CC an even better ride as the foriegn jockeys won't be doing CC any favours
Just watched Frankel's race again and he is really some horse to win considering the ride he was given. Why his jockey set off after the pacemaker so early is a mystery - I can only think he panicked. I think you are doing Hughes a diservice Shergar. He made it look easy today and considering what was at stake I thought he gave CC a great ride. Of course he (understandably) has supreme confidence in the horse and that helps. Where are all those who ran down CC last year? They seem to have gone very quiet!
Point is Hughes got the same criticism as Queally last year for Canford Cliffs not winning the Greenham & Guineas! Queally has won both and then, in my eyes, got away with it today. Yes he went too early - hindsight is only second to foresight, and if he listened to Willie Carson then he won't get a better bit of advice in his entire career! Only got his break in 2009ish so learning as he goes and lets face it he does know more than us armchair jockeys! "Considering Cecil has had the likes of Piggott, Cauthen and Fallon riding for him, Queally really is a very poor jockey by comparison." No s**t, Sherlock!
Fulkes, Dick Turpin must be SOME horse, as there's people around who were completely adamant that he is much superior to Canford Cliffs. They may even have referred to him as being the 'Turpinator' (this made me laugh quite loudly and I still think of the horse by this name ) before they met in the Lockinge but I can't seem to remember who it was
Frankel scenarios: 1. Yes, Queally gave him a bad ride. Any horse can only go flat out for so long, so why leather him too early? 2. Maybe he's very precocious as a relatively early foal and the opposition will now catch up to him. 3. Would he have won today's race on soft ground? Doubtful. Zoffany wasn't held up and, although he couldn't go the pace, he made up 10 lengths+ on Frankel from 3 furlongs out. 4. Will Frankel prove to be overrated? Prior to today, only 2 horses from his Greenham and Guineas wins have subsequently won races -Roderick O'Connor and Excelebration- and their subsequent performances raise doubts as to the quality of his opposition. 5. Does Timeform's lofty rating of 142 for Frankel make them look like a bunch of muppets? The opposition he's beaten since he first raced does not provide strength in depth to justify such a mark, notwithstanding how impressive he has usually been. Personally I'm not going overboard about him- good though he is. What do other members think?
Beef....I still maintain that Dick Turpin is capable of beating Canford Cliffs, and afterall it is still 2-2 in head to heads. I would also question the condition DT was in on Lockinge day, clearly he did not run to the sort of form he ran to at Sandown as he definately would have been in the mix, he is a G1 winner afterall and on allknown ratings he is a much better colt than the other horses he finished behind in the Lockinge. An interesting formline is that DT beat City Scape Further at Sandown than CC did today, interesting eh? CC is clearly the apple of Richard Hannons eye, and I honestly believe RH is delibrately running DT unfit against him, as he knows DT has the tools to match CC. RH wanted DT to go to France, john Manley says no i want to take on your favourite horse CC, and DT runs way below form finishing 4th. I think you can all agree that had the DT that won so well at Sandown turned up in the Lockinge he would not have finished 4th. This is a horse who had never finished out of the first 2 on 4 starts in G1 mile races! Yet when he threatens to harm the reputation of CC he all of a sudden finishes a well beaten 4th, hmmmm surely sone people can see the point i'm making, if I was Manley I'd get that horse away from RH ASAP, I'm sure Sir Micheal Stoute would welcome the chance to train Dick Turpin, a horse who is a genuine G1 miler
Tamerlo, whether Frankel’s 142 rating is accurate or not is a matter for conjecture. He clearly did not run to that mark at Ascot because if he did then Zoffany would be rated 140, which would mean that we have two of the greatest milers of all time running in the same year. Frankel is going to meet the older horses at some point and they should provide us with a reliable yardstick by which to measure him. I do not expect to see another performance like the 2000 Guineas from him again as he is unlikely to run over a straight mile and be allowed to steal ten lengths in the first hundred yards.
Shergar that is possibly the most ridiculous post i have had the pleasure of reading on this forum. Hannon purposefully not getting Dick Turpin fit so that he doesn't beat Canford Cliffs? I can only hope that you're joking or else you should pay a visit to your doctor for some medication!!! Give up with the whole Dick Turpin is better than Canford Cliffs argument. He isn't.
Shergar - I really hope you are winding us all up with this Dick Turpin nonsense! There is no way DT would have been anywhere near the first two yesterday. CC is the apple of Hannon's eye because he is the best horse he has ever trained - it really is as simple as that.
Dick Turpin is a highly consistant horse, and at Sandown he beat City Scape further than Goldi and CC did in the Queen Anne. You may all think I'm bonkers but why has DT ran way below form as soon as he is put up against CC, this is a horse who had never finished out of the frame in G1 races! I know it sounds like a mad conspiracy but nothing would suprise me, can you guys honestly say the same DT who won at Sandown showed up in the Lockinge? No I'm not buying it he was way below form, a horse who is normally very consistant! Regardless of what you guys think of me, there is very little between DT and CC on there best form and I honestly believe DT can beat CC again, if he turns up on song. DT needs to go to SMS, because he is always going to play second fiddle to CC whilst at RHs yard
