Gay Footballers

4 pages of bollox.

Its a non issue , some people spend more time looking for bollox to complain about than they do actually living.

It the Guardianista syndrome .

Lambeth council disease.

 

Well, how very nice that you can ignore any issue you like so casually.

It's no wonder footballers can't admit they're gay. Some people abuse them, and a larger amount of people allow them to by pretending the abuse isn't an issue. F**king lovely.

 

see what i mean .

This one will run and run .

 

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It's really not. I'm just trying to explain why people who any other day of the week would be dismayed if they witnessed that sort of thing in the street, seem to be happy to chant it in a football stadium.

 

It is a well known fact that the IQ of a male declines proportionally to the size of the group he is in. Some of the most entertaining things you can hear, is a chap try to explain his logic in doing something, when separated from his buddies after the event.

"Yeah, well you see there was this sheep, an' we thought..."

 

speak for yourself pal .

 

In all honesty, I wouldn't care if any player who played for Portsmouth was gay (so long as he wasn't a diver/Joey Barton), nor would I care if any opposition player was gay. I wouldn't chant anything homophobic towards any player gay or straight, there's banter and there's taking it too far. Which poses the question of whether some chants can be construed as banter rather than homophobic, for example directed at Brighton fans "We can see you holding hands". Is that homophobic or is that banter?

Also this whole event reminds me of this video from Sigur Ros, if you haven't seen it, it's a good song and a moving video and I watched it quite a lot in my sexually confused days.

[video=youtube;akYuy2FMQk4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akYuy2FMQk4[/video]

 

Oh **** off with this PC bullcrap, what the hell are you supposed to call black people then? People with a genotype that expresses an olive skinned phenotype? **** me, it's not like people are saying 'darkies' or using the N word, saying blacks is a racist word is like saying whites is a racist word, or asians. In fact, you could argue that black is less racist than asian, the equivalent would be calling all black people africans.
Apart from that, you made some good points, that I think most rational people would agree with.

 

But you don't seem willing to answer in the positive when I ask whether or not you would speak up against a group of people making homophobic chants near you at a game. That's why it seems very much like you're not so much explaining as explaining away.

That you're explaining it to me so much implies you think I don't understand why people are doing it, and that my lack of understanding might be why I've taken the viewpoint I have.

 

There is no harm in using the term black or gay individually (usually), but when you are trying to group people up and refer to that collective as "Blacks" it creates a grouping that is really only used for racist discrimination. There is really no other purpose when you use the term "Blacks" or "Gays" collectively.

That is why afcftw said it was a disgrace.

I sort of agree, I didn't think I would read this in this day and age. I think there must still be a lot of people that understand that they mustn't say certain words, but are still inherently racist.

 

It is a very fine line. But I do believe your intonation and connotation do matter as well. I used blacks saying "Blacks during the civil rights movement" i certainly meant nothing derogatory with it. For me it is another way of saying black community etc. Same applies to gays, women, christians, muslims etc etc. I realise the historical context of certain words and phrases play a factor but you have to take the whole context of what they are saying.

I see a visible difference in someone saying something racist such as " the blacks aren't as naturally intelligent" as opposed to something such as " the blacks were involved in a civil rights movement". Or say the "christians hate the gays" vs " Christians believe in charity". It is not the term itself but the context for me.

However I don't entirely disagree with the point you are making. I just feel the lines aren't that clear cut and that their are other factors to consider.

 

The term "blacks" is not inherently racist. Nor is it ultra-PC to say it's racist. It's simply that a lot of people who are definitely racist use the word blacks that way. Definitely heard a lot of BNP members doing it.

Doesn't make you racist to say "blacks". It's just one of those things which a lot of people have a bad association with because of some unsavoury people who do use it badly.

 

The term "Blacks" isn't always derogatory, but it is always discriminatory.

 

Using the term blacks is ALWAYS unfair or prejudiced?

 

Not at all fella, don't get caught up making assumptions because that's not where I'm coming from. I was simply making a point about how in context this sort of behaviour arises, when in everyday life the same people would probably abhor it.

To answer your question, if I were in a stadium and people around me were chanting homophobic abuse, would I challenge it ? In all honesty probably not, I would just chose not to engage in it. Would I challenge somebody in the street if somebody were aiming abuse at an individual ? Yes most probably.

The difference ? Ultimately there isn't much, but if it happened in the street I would know it was meant as personalised hate, in the stadium, although I don't agree with it, I think it would be difficult to stand up and challenge dozens, maybe hundreds of people. But I'd be interested to know if anybody on here honestly would ?

 

If i was in the stadium i wouldn't stand up to someone shouting abuse. Firstly because you don't know how much of it is just meant as banter and how much is a genuine insult, secondly because in a stadium it is a confined space and you are potentially standing up to tens, hundreds or thousands of people. Since the abuse being sung in general is not causing much harm (not meaning to belittle homophobic or other facist chanting, just that it tends to be small areas of crowds and the players usually just ignore it) i'd see the pay-off as not worth the potential violent situation. Pack mentality really is a funny thing.

In the street if i saw someone being shouted at for being gay i'd instantly step in.

 

"Oh **** off with this PC bullcrap, what the hell are you supposed to call black people then? People with a genotype that expresses an olive skinned phenotype?"

Firstly i'm really not very PC I have had countless agruments about the use of certain words - personally i think any word used in the right circumstances is fine, e.g. at my University it was perferctly normal for white people to be calling other white people ****** in an affectionate way!

But the use of "blacks" or "gays" when refering to a wide range of people for me just comes across as ignorant, it is very "us and them". And you have answered your question in the quote above yourself, what are you supposed to call black people? How about... black people...

 

Really ?

So when im doing my paintings , i can refer to the whites in it , the reds in it , but not the blacks.....its a term that is ALWAYS discriminatory .

hahahahahahah.

priceless.
The way these PC morons tie themselves up in knots with semantics while the rest of us just get on with living.

keep it up guys , its HILARIOUS !

 

well HE would , and Murray , they would be soooooooooooo outraged they would stand up against all 100 of the morons.

coz they are the PC police.

would they fuck !.