Are you aware footballs a business and money, whether you like it or not, controls the game as it does everything? It wont be the glazers who become poorer though, the club and the fans will be the poorer ones.
There is no rule and no guarantee with any manager that United won't slide into mediocrity to be like the current bloody scousers. Sacking Moyes NOW whether you thought he was good enough at the beginning or not will be totally counterproductive. The players are so used to play for Fergie that they seem not to respond to Moyes. Are you sure that any other manager will have done any better with the same players? with the same injuries?
Probably the most perceptive comment - 'improved opposition'. I disagree with the idea that it is the poorest squad for some years, if this is true what does it tell you about the Premiership last year ? The poorest squad includes quite a lot of youngsters, so contrary to popular belief we are not an ageing team! I can forgive non United fans for thinking it is the poorest squad - for some of us old timers we endured some real poor teams. Let me see where to start........probably the season before I started watching - 1962/63 we managed to avoid relegation with an iffy penalty Quixall scored at Maine rd about 4 games before the end of the season, City went down we stayed up. 1968/69 After the glory of the European cup we were in steep decline (hence Best being annoyed he carried the team continually) we finished 11th with only 2 players managing double figures in goals. Overall total of merely 57 all season, Best scored 19 of them, we only managed to win 2 games away all season in a season of 42 games - dare I suggest this was possibly worse than currently ? 1972/73 We finished 18th just managing to avoid relegation, but we still hadn't addressed replacing ageing players, if memory serves me right our last game was at Stamford Bridge, Bobby Charlton's last appearance for us. (I was at that game) We managed only 44 goals in total that season, finishing with a goal difference of -16. This was a pretty poor team. 1973/74 The year we were relegated when our top league goal scorers that year proudly sat on 6 for the season, I think up until the New Year of that season Stepney our goalkeeper was joint top scorer with 2, having taken 2 penalties - in a side that included Best and McLroy! Please tell me you don't think our current team is worse than this ? As for poor players there isn't enough space here to list them all, but we had plenty of duffers - and under the Doc you got a game if your granny had been on a day trip to Scotland or something. We got entertaining when we were relegated then came back up playing more expansive attacking football. (cue 'Merlin') - Sexton & O'Farell were non events as was Wilf McGuiness. Perhaps it would do some fans good to study the history, but then again for many finishing 5th is a disaster - we used to dream of sleeping in the corridor!
Yes, but he is the perfect example of why giving time works while Wilf McGuiness, Frank O Farrell, the return of Busy and then Dave Sexton are perfect examples of why NOT giving a new manager time does NOT work. Don't give me this different era bollocks either, that's irrelevant as to why giving a bloke time and funds is the way to go.
You're guessing. And don't forget, you are the one who does not rate Guardiola because all he had to do was send the players out to play. Just wondering who these magicians are who can make our current squad up to scratch WITHOUT reinforcements.
Are they really the perfect example? Busby aside. Have a look at how their careers went after United. Did any go on to achieve great success elsewhere, showing us that if United had just been patient we would have been far more successful? Also didnt sexton get plenty of time? Wonder what would have happened if United had gone for the best managers of the time?
You will have noticed that I said "poorer" in quotes. There is no way the ****ing Glazers will lose money. They didn't invest any of their money in the first place! They will hopefully sell it and we'll be rid of them. Of course football is a business and top clubs are now run by billionaires like their toys - Roman and the sheiks clearly have unlimited funds for their clubs. It is only the americans owners of United, The scousers, Villa, Sunderland and others who hold their purse strings very tight. Fergie was having to make do with second best. It is the end of an era. No longer can a manager buck the natural rules and win the title when their squad was the fifth best. Fergie was unique. No one including Maureen can do that now or in the future. If the team is **** and play **** it will get beaten. If it plays better it wins. If the club has the fifth best squad it will finish fifth. Live with it...
It plays **** because of one factor. The guy who sets the tactics and gives the orders. Who might that be?
Sexton didn't get plenty time no, he got a season and a half. Results had improved dramatically towards the end of the season but he still got sacked. I think we won the last six on the bounce. Could well be they were starting to click but he got sacked so had to wait for Big Ron to try and fail and then Ferguson to be given time to build something.
Again, are you seriously telling me being allowed to buy one player, after the board had failed so spectacularly to get his actual targets, constitutes the necessary reinforcements for this squad. You're starting to talk out of your arse now, that's just ridiculous. We need another four players, THAT is reinforcements.
I fully agree we need more than 1 but what we know for certain is there was at least £30million available. I think we can assume there was even more available. Sticking with the £30million though, I somehow doubt any other manager would have bought Fellaini and would have likely spent it better elsewhere.
Ok, you tell me who on. It's been confirmed we went in for Tiago, Fabregas, Bale and De Rossi. That tells me that Fellaini was his fourth or fifth choice, assuming he wanted two (which we needed) and went for Fellaini because he knew he'd sign and we were desperate.
He won't remember all that, sounds like a glory hunter I remember united fans wanted AF sacking in his first couple of seasons in charge... Lucky for them it never happened
But if the squad players are not good enough, are we saying it is 100% the manager's fault? Losing to Spurs without our best strikers (RVP out and WR not fit) to Swansea (very good passing side with a weakened United side) and to Sunderland away (in the COC first leg by 2-1, ) is bad news and a shock to United fans under Fergie's era but objectively it is not a disaster that people want to paint it. Remember United getting beaten by Leeds at OT recently or even Portsmouth? **** happens in the Cups. Moyes may or may not be the manager we need. But it is far too early to sack him.
How can you be sure Fellaini wasnt his first choice. If anything it would make the most sense. Would a top manager have missed out on all our targets? We offered enough for Thiago and De Rossi would have been £10million or so. Perhaps they didnt want to work under Moyes and thats why they didnt come. Only offering silly money to player and agent would have changed that.
As has been established. Fergie was a one off. Literally the only example of a manager getting time and succeeding. Ourselves, Liverpool and others have given managers time and none has ever repaid that faith with the exception of Alex Ferguson. The fact is, if its not working, the sooner its fixed the better it is. Both short term and long term. Again, using the club closest to United in history and stature, recently they had Roy Hodgeson as manager, it wasnt working so they sacked him. The only mistake they made there was hiring Kenny Dalglish. Soon enough they realised their mistake. They sacked a legend. A figure of greatness at the club. Why? because he wasnt good enough. The time between their last title and now, Liverpool have given all but Hodgeson ample time to at least implement their ideas. its been a disaster for the most part with the occasional high point.
