the reaction to the game has been very funny, goes to show people do care about the magic of the fa cup after all anyway here is some perspective community shield - won premier league - only 5 points off top 4 and even Fergie wouldn't have won it this season champions league - last 16 FA cup - out 3rd round because of a red card when having to call on your 6th choice fullback or something league cup - semi final against the worst team in the league so just remember things can still get a lot worse..
Its not just about that though Khedron, its how you're playing and how your players seem to be moping around with a lack of faith
Hes so far proving hes ****. Thats all hes proving. I know for a fact you cannot name a single positive about his tenure so far and that your stance of giving hom two years is based on absolutely nothing. Same with matt.
Indeed. Thats something that cannot get much worse. If someone were to say we play they worst football in the league. I dont think you could argue with that.
Its completely aimless. There seems to be no gameplan, no target. We seem to be just hoping something will happen. Its as if the 'plan' is hit and hope.
the guy was let down by the board and our bad run in injuries and many other issues .. it it crazy that some UTD fans want to replace him .. he deserve to have his chance .. even Sir Alex produced average football when we had to build a new good squad back in 2004-2006, and he was lucky we were in top 4 as apart of other teams were not as strong
Who let him down? Certainly wasnt the board. They had money waiting for him, the club and its scouts had identifi identified targets but moyes decided he new better. He bought Fellaini. That money could have been used elsewhere but no, he ****ed about and came up with that lump of ****. It was entirely his fault. As for injuries. It may well be his training methods. Its not really an excuse. Others have suffered injuries and coped. Then theres his man management and ability, or lack of, to install confidence. I think hes lost, or at best is losing the dressing room. Theres no way back from that.
Interesting post by a City fan http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1uig2l/question_is_david_moyes_underperforming_as/ceinr8j Neither. This is one of those times where the modern media really fails us as football fans in explaining exactly what has happened at Manchester United. I often complain that they focus too much on irrelevance and not enough on the actual business of football behind the scenes and this is an example of where it could have helped. I'm not sure what anybody else was expecting here but Man United are right about where I thought they would be. I think they'll finish higher than this but their form is somewhat predictable. United as a Club has completely fell apart and it is the job of David Moyes to rebuild it. It has fell apart because the Club in the modern era was built entirely to Ferguson's exacting standards and methods. Every single person in every department of the Club knew what they were doing every day and what the ultimate point was. Clubs falling apart after the movement of a Czar isn't new. United fell apart after Busby left, Liverpool got worse the more contrived the boot room system became. It's natural. I think United fans should remember the words of Ferguson before he left. He's a proper football man, as is David Moyes, and they both know the scale of the task Moyes has undertaken and the time it will take to bear fruit. United can either studiously water their crops over time to create a vast sustainable empire once again that will provide riches for generations or they can dump nuclear waste on their land and grow tomacco. For me, the real test of the Glazers as owners starts today. You can talk about money and whatever but to most people it's an irrelevance, United have been ultra successful and the manager has been given what he wanted. So far so good for the Glazers. The test starts right now because we discover whether they are the seasoned and patient businessmen that the Edwards family were or just another kneejerk bunch of twats who are sacking managers on ridiculous timescales. I think Moyes has certainly made mistakes, or rather a single mistake. I think he tried to transition too quickly from Ferguson's staff to his own staff in the first team which created unneccesary pressure on himself. This can be forgiven however as I see what he was trying to accomplish. He knew that this would be a difficult period of transition and he wants to snap it as quickly as possible rather than do it piece by piece. Managers often do lack patience in transition, AVB had the same problem at Chelsea. Funnily, Ferguson did the same mistake when he first joined too. I see people who have called Moyes unambitious because he has said that United played well when they didn't. This is a man who had a job for life in a stable Premier League team where he was beloved and he decided to pack that in and move to the most famous Club in the world and succeed the best ever manager in the game, to take on a rebuilding job the like of which has never been done in the modern era of football. Unambitious? Do me a favour. You see, Manchester United was a club built in Ferguson's own image and everybody took their lead from him. He was an imposing figure yet if you meet him he had this working class charm that made you want to fight for him. David Moyes is a similar figure but doesn't yet covet the same respect and loyalty from everybody at Manchester United. There's no possible way that he could, that anybody could, most of the people at United were directly employed by Ferguson or employed whilst he was the manager. In time, Moyes will have the same respect bestowed on him, that's all that it needs at the minute, just some time for him to get his feet under the table. Some fans believe that David Moyes isn't the man for United. I challenge the idea that they even understand what United is as a Club. David Moyes is pretty much the prototypical Manchester United manager, if you had to walk away and design a man who would manage them, it is him. He's fierce, he's tactically well versed, he has a superhuman work ethic, he believes in youth promotion, he plays with wingers, he inspires loyalty and fight from everybody around him. Those who don't see this have never been to Everton away under his tenure there. Moyes managed to turn that place into a lion's den in how ferocious the atmosphere was and how the team played, and make no mistake this developed under him and will wane without him, managers have a major effect on atmospheres as any United fan will tell you (or City fan for that matter), he will do the same to Old Trafford given time. So I suppose the problem here is that fans have underestimated the mammoth of a task that Moyes has to accomplish and pundits have over-simplified it. It will take Moyes several years to get United built in his own image and it will be better off for it rather than start some roundabout of managerial changes. And I warn United fans, I'm a fan of a Club that has had probably 30 managers in the past 30 years. Once you start down this path of swapping in and out managers, you can never come back from it. One last thing to note. I find it interesting how many people when this was announced said things like "Moyes will need a transition time" but have now decided that he should be gone in January. Transition time is a term used to denote the time it takes to sweep away the mentality of the old regime and bring in your own mentality. Essentially, how long it takes to forget the old manager and buy into the thoughts of the new even if it conflicts with what the old manager would say. For a manager who casts the shadow of Ferguson, this will take 3 or 4 years, not 3 or 4 months. Bobby Charlton, Alex Ferguson and others at United understand this so appointed a manager who can rebuild United and have the wide shoulders it requires to bear the load of expectation from the fans and media. They think they found their right man in David Moyes and all piss taking aside, so do I. I hope that they both fight his corner in the boardroom and I'm sure they will. These people understand United as a Club, understand what makes it successful and understand what makes it special. Moyes will be fine if the fans just shut up and let him do his job. Now, back to pissing taking.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ld-Trafford-dont-ridiculous-fans-backing.html On the same note...
My take on it for what it's worth City A squad. 14 Yaya Hart Clichy Nastasic Kompany Aguero Zabaleta Kolorov Nasri Silva Navas Negredo Fernandinho Milner B squad. 11 Pantilimon Richards Dzeko Rodwell Garcia Boyata Lescott Demichellis Guidetti Lopes Jovetic Utd A squad. 10 Rooney De Gea RVP Jones Carrick Smalling Janujaz Welbeck Evans Rafael B squad 18 Evra Ferdinand Anderson. Giggs Lindegaard Chicharito Vidic Nani; Young Fabio Cleverley Fletcher Valencia Kagawa Büttner Zaha Fellaini Bébé The problem Utd have is an insufficient number of players in the A squad meaning every week too many B squad players have to play,hence why they are really struggling.Only need a couple of injuries to be dangerously weak and start to get picked off far too easily,especially with the premier league having no really weak teams Whenever we play more than 2 from our B squad we are noticeably weaker,never mind the media saying we have 2 squads who are capable of challenging With the window now open,if we find it necessary to recruit,it's imperative that only players that are of the necessary quality to go straight into the A squad should be brought in,otherwise I'd much rather we go with what we have and look again in the summer If you look at spurs,all they did this summer was collect B squad players to replace an A squad player,it just doesn't work I also believe it's the reason why arsenal are closing in on a decade of winning nothing,trying to pack sides with players like Gervinho,Bendtner and the like Fortunately for Moyes,I don't believe the Utd hierarchy are stupid enough to get rid after 6 months,it was always likely to be an impossible task following on from Ferguson,even more so when you consider the paucity of the actual quality in the squad Having to defend the title with a squad that only one or two managers in the history of the game could've secured the title with,has hardly helped matters. I expect utd to be up and running again the season after next which makes it imperative that we recruit sensibly to keep on improving the squad
Yeah, well put. Points out the weaknesses in our squad in simple terms. Was on another thread discussing potential realistic signings this window and a Chelsea fan pipes up that the players mentioned weren't world class and would not improve on our current first eleven so why bother. Fact is, every one i mentioned would be straight in the A squad so would definitely improve our first team. None would have cost 50 million plus from abroad so he didn't get it.
Not that I didn't get it, just didn't agree. In that 'B' squad above are players like Kagawa and Fellaini who have at least proven themselves outside of United and on the international stage. What exactly has Lallana done except have a few good games at a mid table premier league club? Is he going to be the one to save your season?! Behave. Players like him and Shaw may well be top draw United level players in years to come but they aren't there yet and I thought the whole point in buying mid season was to improve the team THIS season!?!? Otherwise you might as well wait till the summer when such players will be easier to buy and at less money probably.
Some excellent points in the post from the City fan particularly the one highlighted below. One last thing to note. I find it interesting how many people when this was announced said things like "Moyes will need a transition time" but have now decided that he should be gone in January. Transition time is a term used to denote the time it takes to sweep away the mentality of the old regime and bring in your own mentality Personnally I haven't seen or heard to many United fans calling for Moyes head and I hope that continues. I feel he deserves at least 2 seasons to makes the sweeping changes the squad that obviously need changing. I'm not talking about signing 4 or 5 world class players but rather building a team that in world class which might contain very very world class players. Personnally I hope he's given time.
