When Sunderland get relegated...

I can

 

could be a long season for us.

 

If you don't beat either Fulham or Southampton in your next two games, then I reckon you really will be in the brown stuff. Still a long way to go though.

 

A couple of good signings in Jan and everything looks rosey again.

 

it will be an even longer season, with more games if you get relegated

 

Long way to go Comm. You are lucky in that you haven't been cut off from the rest. In some years that many points at this stage would have seemed mission impossible. 2 wins and its a whole different ball game for you. You do look ****e when playing the lower sides which is an obvious concern.

 

Just to clarify something, we didn't have the biggest shipyards in the world, that's nonsense.
Sunderland was known for hundreds of years as "the biggest shipbuilding town" in the world because it had more shipyards "per mile of river" than anywhere else.
It's all in a book called "Where Ships are Born"
Just for anyone that's interested in our maritime history.

 

If you keep failing to beat bottom half teams at home then you will.

 

will have a gander at that one as it's a subject I'm quite interested in.

 

Built on the Wear, fitted out on the Tyne.

The origin of the Mackem's, "You build them (Maak) and we Taak them". They were brought to the Tyne yards to be fitted out.

 

I've heard this explanation before, but to be honest I believe it to be a load of bollocks..The term mackem originated some time in the early to mid 1970's as was first used as a derogatory term regarding the Sunderland accent.. I know it is hard to believe that people from Newcastle could take the piss out of anyone's accent, but I believe it to be true..

 

Look up Mackem on Wiki.
Expanding AB's post.

Evidence suggests the term is a recent coinage. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, with which the BBC carried out a well-publicised search for references,[1][2] the earliest occurrence of it in print was in 1988,[3] although the phrase "we still tak 'em and mak 'em" was found in a sporting context in 1973 in reference to Sunderland Cricket & Rugby Football Club.[3] While this lends support to the theory that this phrase was the origin of the term Mackem, there is nothing to suggest that "mak 'em" had come to be applied to people from Sunderland generally at such a date. The name Mackem refers to the Wearside shipyard workers in the 19th century (the biggest ship making industry in the world at that time) who would design and "make" the ships. The Geordies would then take them, hence "mackem and tackem" ("make them and take them").[4]

The term could also be a reference to the volume of ships built during wartime on the River Wear, e.g. "We mackem and they sink em".[citation needed]

The term has come to represent people who follow the local football team Sunderland AFC, and may have been invented for this purpose. Newcastle and Sunderland have a history of rivalry beyond the football pitch, dating back to the early stages of the English Civil War,[5] the rivalry following on industrial disputes of the 19th century and political rivalries after the 1974 creation of Tyne and Wear County.

 

As long as you believe it, all's well.

 

That's the way I look at as well mate. I would never call one of my red and white mates a mackem. You sir are a fine upstanding red and white.

 

Cook, crook, book, school, curry, ride, bike and of course, make and take.

Say no more

 

NEWSFLASH: ACS loves thinking about seamen...

 

Well... One or two odd things do indeed float my boat....

 

It was simply that The Biggest shipbuilding town in the world nothing more nothing less what's this per mile of river crap, and after we had made them we took them out into battle the history of Sunderland shows that the Press gangs IE Gangs that forcefully took men to sail ships were an almost permanent part of the East End of course that was before the people of Sunderland spoke in the sophisticated manner in which they do now , hence MAKEM AND TAKEM

 

Freedor, that was the definition given in the book, and for your information, Sunderland was far from being "big".
If you read your history you'll find out that Sunderland ended about half way down High Street about where the Exchange is now.
The rest was Bishopwearmouth, over the river was Monkwearmouth.

As for the derogatory name of Mackem, that's all it is, a piss take about the way we speak, nothing about taking ships to the Tyne, what a load of crap, the fitting out quays in Sunderland were second to none, the only time anything was taken to the Tyne was when we built half a ships hull and that was towed round to the Tyne where the other half was built and they were welded together.

While we're on a rant, it makes me sick when people go on about the shipyards and pits, I was glad to see the back of them, I know lots of people that worked in the pits and I worked in the shipyards on both rivers and believe me they weren't nice places, especially in the winter.

I know that the closures could have been done gradually reducing the impact on communities but I would hate to think that my grandchildren had to work in any of those industries.