For the first 30 minutes imo was the best ive seen us play for a long time, we psssed it around with ease and were by far the better team until the ref was a ****ing tool. Yes on paper it looks a massive hammering but for those that watched the game there are a lot of positives to take from it up the potters
You played very well at the start, but with idiot's like Whelan in your team, you always have the risk he is going to do something stupid and get himself sent off. Not the referee's fault he hacked at Cabaye. We could have had 5 penalties from what I saw.
I dont like whelan but as the pundits and commentators said no way a second yellow card, as for the penaly claims they were all when we were down to 9 men so wouldnt have happened, you were lucky and we werent, like I said we take lots of positives in taking the game to newcastle and being the better side when it was 11 v 11. good luck for the rest of the season
It all started with Whelan's (completely unjust) sending off. Newcastle didn't look like getting the ball anywhere near our goal until they went a man down.
Didn't see much of the game, had some computer issues and had to get some sleep for work tonight, so I only saw bit of the first half, none of the second and couldn't believe the result when I checked it! Will comment further after I've seen MOTD? Though I doubt well get a fair showing.
Whelan's first booking was harsh but the rules are if you kick the ball away you get booked. Just stupidity from Whelan. Second was a definite yellow. You simply can't run up from behind and kick a player in the calf with no intention of getting the ball. On the second red, Wilson clearly had hold of Remy's arm, he was last man and Remy was in on goal. A definite penalty and sending off. Williamson should have been penalised for hand ball before we equalised but there is no conclusive evidence that the ball for our second was in or our of play and the benefit should always go with the attacking team. So in reality the only shocking decision against you was the Williamson hand ball but you already had nine by then through your own ill discipline and the game was already over by then due to said numerical advantage.
EUFA directive: "A tackle from behind is an automatic booking." Moelfre recommends no tackle from behind when you are already on a yellow.
so all the pundits and commentators aswell as the peoole on sky are wrong and the newcastle fans are right?, ok glad we cleared that up. You won the game and yet still cant bring yourselves to say the referee did you a massive favour which changed the game completely. All im asking for is a bit of honesty and not to be so biased
Also I dont think thats what they mean as a tackle from behind, that rule was put in place to stop players sliding through the back of another, not for a clip of the heels
The only debatable things from the game should be Williamson's handball in the build up for the goal; and the ball being out of play when HBA crossed in. Whelan rolled into Sissoko (offence 1), kicked the ball away (offence 2), squared up to Cabaye (offence 3 - Cabaye should also have seen yellow), then clips the calves of Cabaye (offence 4, he knew what he was doing and didn't complain). Wilson stopped a goalscoring opportunity and was last man; if he wasn't there Remy would have had a clean strike on goal. Like it how no one mentions that we should have at least one more pen later on in the game - Shawcross pushing through Cabaye, ref probably felt pity on Stoke. Also, find it justice when Hughes was the one saying Brown's red vs Sunderland was stonewall (not that I'm complaining)
No disputing that you were the better team 11 v 11, thought we were lucky to be only 1-0 down by then, you should finish in a decent position if you play like that. As for the second card it was pre-meditated and even told Cabaye he was going to do it in front of the referee, 1st booking was unlucky, handball was debatable, as were the penalty claims (for me I wouldn't have given any of them). Good luck on Sunday at Tottenham.
To be fair the Shawcross incident wasn't, Cabaye lost control of the ball and it was the momentum of Shawcross that caused the contact.
Only debateable thing was the handball? Williamson hand balled it and Sunderland equalise. Then the second goal should not have stood, given Ben Arfa ran it out of play! so after 57 minutes it should still have ben 0-1 still. Agreed I thought Whelan probably got booked first for kicking the ball away but the way Cabaye acted as if he was hurt was typically French. Just compare the Rooney challenge on Huddlestone from behind. He was not even spoken to! As Pardew said the game changed on the first sending off!
A little late with this, but there's not a lot to say really. I thought Whelan's first yellow was soft, but he did kick the ball away, and rules are rules. He was then very silly to kick at the back of Cabaye's whilst already booked, so in the end, it think it was fair to send him off. I also agree with Wilson's red, yes, Shawcross was coming back but he didn't look like getting to Remy or the ball, so it was a goal scoring opportunity. It's the other decisions that I have an issue with, but ultimately, even if the officials had got them right, would the result be any different? Maybe Newcastle wouldn't have scored quite so many, but as soon as Wilson had to walk, we'd lost the game. It's a shame really, I watched the first half hour before my pc died (must have missed the first goal by seconds) and was really impressed, but then after watching MOTD and getting so wound up about the result, I've pretty much forgot about all the good I'd seen in the first 30(ish) minutes. Great goal from Assaidi though, hopefully he keeps it up, and can mix it up a bit too, so he doesn't get "found out".
Since July 2005 FIFA have taken the phrase "from behind" out of their laws replacing it with a clause thus: A tackle, which endangers the safety of an opponent, must be sanctioned as serious foul play. Thus it is now up to the referee to decide whether any tackle whatever angle it comes from 'endangers the safety of an opponent'. All refs will penalise the tackle from behind because this has a high risk factor. You can come in from the side it is not against the rules.
O.K. I've not posted for a few days because... I am so fookin annoyed with WHELAN not just TWATKINSON! I watched the whole game, bar a 30 sec glitch online and let me just say two things about Glen Whelan. I've NEVER liked him as a player, he can not PASS, SHOOT nor tackle. Regarding the sending off? It was harsh his first booking but BEFORE that he and Cabaye we having digs at one another. Hughes must have seen it if I did? He should have taken him off before he sent himself off! He let the team, the fans who spent a fortune at Xmas to go and support the rest of the team who were superb up until then. The FACT Whelan was laughing as he came off and the reaction of Cabaye meant an on so bloody obvious 2nd yellow. BOOM! 2nd I NEVER want to see Whelan play for us again simples. As for Wilson's red card well I know this is slightly biased but. Remy fact... did not have the ball at his feet (yes he may well have got there) but unless you have the ball under control is in not classed as a clear opportunity on goal. (I read the rules yesterday) YES it was a penalty but surly and the law states this. (If a player has the ball under full control, and is in on goal with only the keeper to beat, it is deemed a straight red card) If however the player does not hold the ball, have complete control of the ball, it's a penalty and a yellow card for the offending player) Sunderland's game a nailed on red vs Everton. For me Twatkinson got it wrong. Surly given that Whelan had walked seconds earlier after being provoked by Cabaye whold (should) have also got a yellow (could) have been more lenient towards Wilson? the fact he was not. The handball 100 per cent handball(and a yellow card) was NOT given he's a tool in my book. We (may) still have lost but once Wilson went we were fooked both ways and some. I have no gripe with Newcastle nor their fans, good luck to them. As for Mark Hughes getting sent off? WTF for? for telling a ref he's a cnut when he so obviously went belly up with decisions more than once. Me? I would have samcked him and taken a ban cos it's heading that way anyhow. Twatkinson got rated a FOUR which say's it all really. I hope not other team has to suffer this fool today. Sorry for the rant guys and and anyone going to Spurs I have the S++ts for hell the last 2 days, sing a song for me too! I just hope to God he NEVER comes to the Brit EVER again, I will be the first in line to personally twat him. Spoiled what could have been a great game.
I have just got back from my daughters in Newcastle and so I am late with this post but my views on the game are thus: First time I have watched them live and I saw a massive change from the Pulis era, passing the ball well and also pushing forward at every opportunity. Newcastle weren't in it and we thoroughly deserved the goal when it arrived. At that stage I thought a win was on the cards or at worst a draw. Then it all went completely pear-shaped thanks to Whelan. Although the first yellow was harsh (from seeing it again on MOTD) I just could not understand his mentality when he squared up to Cabaye in the same incident. Then the idiot takes a kick at Cabaye on the touchline, by the halfway line when there was absolutely no danger and within minutes of his first yellow. Whelan cost us that game with his stupidity. As for the second red I am not sure. Once down to nine men, however, the contest was over. I am afraid Whelan and Atkinson ruined Stoke's chances of getting anything from a game we would have got at least a point from. Ok 5-1 sounds like a thrashing but 11 vs 9 was bound to result in a score like that and in addition they certainly had decisions (Williamson and Ben Arfa) go completely in their favour. I do like that change in style that Hughes is introducing however.
