Do the Wenger Out brigade still want him sacked ?

Yeah probably...

 

Completely disagree with this idea that by slagging players off it makes them work harder and improve.

Aaron Ramsey has always worked hard and it's because of this that he managed to pull him self out of the depths after his injury and become the player he is now and it wasn't because of the criticism, it was despite the criticism. Even Wenger said that the intensity of the criticism affected his confidence and performances.

As I said before, I've got nothing against criticism but it needs to be levied appropriately - some of the vitriol fired at Ramsey was nothing short of scandalous, even when he was improving some people were still slating him. There's constructive criticism and then there's something altogether less helpful and the idea that the slagging off Ramsey received was helpful is quite delusional in my opinion.

 

I didn't say "slagging off" did I? Are you replying to someone else's post and calling someone else delusional? Of course slagging someone off isn't particularly helpful, but there was plenty of constructive criticism from this board that got labelled as "slagging off". And if you don't think it happens; read the most recent posts in this thread. You've got someone who thinks that criticizing anything to do with the club makes you "a **** fan". The only reason he's still posting on this board after wuming half the people on it is because there is a moderator who won't act against someone he often agrees with.

Anyway, Ramsey could have knuckled down thanks to the constructive criticism he received from fans. It must have been a lot more helpful than people pretending there was nothing wrong. Even "slagging off" is more useful than pretending there's nothing wrong, because even if the obnoxious types don't articulate it properly, they at least let the player know they're not playing well enough. This idea that sportsmen are fragile creatures who fall apart at the slightest criticism is what is delusional. They deserve praise for doing well, and a kick up the arse for playing ****e.

 

This post is a perfect example of the problem - things are either black or white in too many posters minds.

That said, TT is 100% correct and it's not his fault that many on here are unable to comprehend the meaning in his posts. If mods should act, they should stop the personal attacks TT constantly has to suffer.

 

But ignore his attacks yeah?

And also, thanks for conclusion on who is right... Now that you've let us know that your opinion is 100% factual truth, we can all relax

 

How about getting this thread back on topic? Oh, that's right, it is on topic.

 

It certainly is more on topic than a lot of these threads. I don't think it is a huge leap from seeing if those with a negative outlook are still negative, to how that negativity affects the team.

 

Completely right. Ramsey was given constant abuse from fans and it wasn't warranted in the slightest. It wasn't constructive critisism it was along the lines of "Ramsey is a pub team player" "this welsh **** will never be good enough for Arsenal" etc etc.... It was way way over the top.

Both Wenger and Ramsey have come out and said his confidence was negatively effected by the huge uneccessary criticism and his performances suffered as a result of that. If the player and his manager who works with him on a daily basis notice his performance levels and confidence drop along with the criticism growing, then that is what happened.

No idea how anyone is stupid enough to think the abuse Ramsey got was doing anything other than hurting him and as a result the team and club.

(And before anyone goes off on one: No, i am not saying criticism is bad, it can be very constructive when done properly, towards Ramsey it was aweful, not constructive at all and those who where slating him obviously got it wrong.)

 

I'd happily be proved wrong if you can find me an example of where somebody was giving Ramsey constructive criticism ? As far as I can remember I never read anything of the sort, it was comments like 'that welsh ****' 'waste of space' 'pub player' 'championship standard' 'not fit to wear the shirt' etc, unless that's what you are referring to as constructive ?

 

Do you seriously think there hasn't been constructive criticism of Aaron Ramsey on this board? Well, there's plenty here buddy: http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/182745-Aaron-Ramsey?p=3873204#post3873204

I suppose to you it's all "slagging off" though, right? I think my comment and quite a few others were constructive. You even commented in that thread.

There's no way you could have forgotten that many people were being constructive; but I guess you thought I wouldn't be bothered to dig through old posts this time, right? Well, I didn't have to look hard.

Sometimes (in fact a lot of the time) I think you're just trying to wind people up here. It's why I left before. I couldn't fathom how you could be a moderator on this forum while simultaneously trying to piss off half the people on it.

 

That's what I meant. It is on topic. The whole point of this thread was so that Piskie could dig up old arguments.

Hell, this thread had been dead for a month before he resurrected it with a post saying "Quietly waiting for Kyle to admit he's a Wenger fan" at the top of page 10. Of course, that began a fresh tirade of arguments and abuse.

 

Then there's this from earlier in the thread:

Had you really not seen anything, or were you just on the wind-up again? We'd all seen TT saying we'd win the league, and I'm pretty sure you were in that thread too. In fact, the above post was followed by:

+1 TT for being honest.

Either you have a selective reading disorder or you're just trying to wind people up. In fact, when I did leave before, this was the straw that broke the camels back. It's also why you were asking for quotes this time (you thought I couldn't be bothered again). I just have no idea why you're a moderator here when you make such a fervent effort to piss people off.

 

Yeah TT really embodies the majority sentiment on here right? The whole point of this thread wss a light hearted one to see if the WOBs had changed their mind.
And don't bring up TT and Kyle because frankly everyone knows and is sick of their war against each other.
Thing is now you're taking the oh I'm being persecuted argument.
If you don't like the moderation take ot up with Mick, deal with it, or leave.

 

Of course he doesn't. I think you probably missed the point.

Not really. I'm just sick of Piskie's bullshit, the wind-ups, and the bias it brings to the moderating on this forum. 95% of the commenters here are nice people... even TT I can at least "understand" where he's coming from. The other 5% consist of trolls like "voice of reason" who get a free pass for agreeing with Piskie (I might as well pre-empt voice of reason's imminent BS on this matter by explaining what he is. This makes it clear: http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/224182-***Arsenal-prediction-league-2013-14***/page7 ). Anyway. perhaps you're right. I've clearly had enough.

 

And another Poster leaves in anger.

So essentially thinking negative thoughts damages the team. We're not talking voices in the stadium (let's not be silly & pretend anyone other than Cym actually attends games regularly), we're talking opinions on a not-very-popular (for various reasons) internet forum.

But we all know how our negative thoughts can be damaging to the title bid, don't we comrades?

 

Once again the old I'll say what you think, but say it wrong to discredit you. No one said that your thoughts were a problem.

As for stating your opinions, once again, a very strange opinion for an Arsenal fan to have, particularly when it is turning out to be so very wrong. You would expect a genuine fan to err on the upside, or at least I would.

 

I don't think the quote you highlighted is a particularly good example, but fair play you do make some decent comments at the bottom. So as I said, I'm happy to be proved wrong if that's the case. You have to admit though that the greater proportion of it was just nasty personal attacks.

As for you getting upset with me, I think you just need to calm down a little bit

 

The point about Ramsey though was that the negativity from people in the stadium was affecting his performances. I don't know to what extent Ramsey reads comments in the media or on internet forums and I'd suggest that he probably shouldn't, but it was palpable that the negativity surrounding him was affecting his game. He even came out and said so.

 

What case does that quote rest?

 

You are still crying over neg rep on a forum LOLZ - I think that just about sums you up chummy.