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  1. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Yea, I think Bernies main focus at the moment is his continued liberty, he's spending far too much time thinking on who he will have to bribe next !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    In my opinion it caters for Pirelli, because they can provide multi stop races without damaging their own brand by supplying fragile tyres.
     
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  3. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    somewhere between 26% & 30% race distance ALL the teams are gonna have to pit, that 4% is roughly 2 laps. So they are basically going force all the teams to pit their cars at roughly the same time. Does no one see the safety issue here?
    I can see it getting messy, unsafe releases all over the shop, and I wouldn't be surprised if the pit-lane gets blocked by a crash or an engineer gets taken out badly.
     
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  4. VettelforPresident

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    It won't get messy, it will just be boring. The only way it will be exciting is if they placed people with flame-throwers at each end of the pit. No strategy in it, because everyone will know the window in which they will need to pit.
     
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  5. BrightLampShade

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    Pirelli concludes new Formula 1 tyre supply deal

    Pirelli has finally concluded its Formula 1 tyre supply contract with the FIA, meaning it will continue in the sport for the next three years.

    Although the Italian tyre manufacturer had originally agreed a five-year commercial deal with Bernie Ecclestone and the teams, the FIA only agreed to a three-year extension.

    Discussions with Pirelli to frame the new deal were extensive, however, because Pirelli wanted changes to F1's sporting regulations to help improve the way it could go about doing its job.

    In particular, it was unhappy that F1's strict testing limitations meant it was unable to get enough on-track data, which became a major issue last year during the early stages of the year when there were delamination issues.

    As a result, changes to F1's Sporting Regulations mean one of this year's pre-season test days will be devoted to wet-weather tyre testing - plus teams must give up one of their eight in-season test days exclusively for tyres.




    Pirelli controls the weather?
     
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  6. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member
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    Is Bernie finally getting his way with sprinklers???? It's not like there's a lot of rain normally in Jerez or Barcelona. Or are they just banking on one day across the tests being wet, and forcing the team to run when they normally wouldn't bother?
     
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  7. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Bernie gets his sprinklers in! I bet it will be at bahrain
     
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  8. BrightLampShade

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    Awkward <whistle>
     
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  9. BrightLampShade

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  10. EternalMSC

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  11. BrightLampShade

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    Pirelli confirms compulsory tyre test schedule for teams



    Pirelli has confirmed the tyre testing schedule for the three in-season tests. The rules require each team to devote one of its six precious days to working for the Italian company.
    The significance of the timing is that in theory when a team is tyre testing it is not working on developing its car.

    In addition there is a test in Abu Dhabi at the end of the year when all teams will run the 2015 tyres.

    The schedule is as follows:
    Bahrain test (8-9 April)

    Day1: CATERHAM
    Day2: MERCEDES and WILLIAMS

    Barcelona test (13-14 May)
    Day1: SAUBER and TORO ROSSO
    Day2: McLAREN and FORCE INDIA

    Silverstone test (8-9 July)
    Day1: FERRARI and LOTUS
    Day2: RED BULL and MARUSSIA
     
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  12. ched999uk

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    Handy that Ferrari, Red Bull and Lotus are way off in July. Giving them more dev time where as Merc and Williams are at the beginning of the test schedule!

    I guess FIA didn't just pull names out of the hat!! Looks like the teams that look strongest in testing are being hit with losing a development day at the beginning of the season. While the teams that need the most early development (Red Bull and Lotus) don't lose a test day till mid season!

    Not looking very fair to me!!!
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

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    Why make them buggers off to Bahrain? I thought they were trying to reduce costs.

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    Scratch the above... Just noticed they're at the race weekends. I seem to remember Bahrain being later
     
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  14. ErnieBecclestone

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    Originally Posted by Hamilton, post India

    "It was actually a great race," he said. "Within the car, it felt great. I pushed every lap, even right to the chequered flag, like always but just more so... I can't remember the last time I had to be so much over the limit to catch someone, literally to the point where I was about to come off. It felt great. I've not been able to do that too much throughout the year because we've been saving tyres and all that stuff. But the tyres lasted so long." Quote thanks to BLS



    This is what I want to see, Hamilton and all the other top drivers actually racing, stuff all the silly, soft, super soft, hard, super hard tyre's where the sun don't shine and no forced pit stops either.
     
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  15. BrightLampShade

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    Sour grapes from those at the back?




    Malaysian GP: Formula 1 drivers hit out at wet Pirelli tyre




    Adrian Sutil has called for Pirelli to revise its tyre compounds, after describing the current wet rubber as "the worst I have driven" in Formula 1.


    The German failed to make it past the first segment of qualifying for Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix, and told BBC Radio 5 Live immediately after the session that the wet Pirelli was "the worst tyre I've driven in the wet".


    The Sauber driver blamed the red flag caused by Marcus Ericsson's crash for his early exit from qualifying, but said the Pirelli tyres were too hard given the amount of downforce removed from the cars by the 2014 regulations.


    "Not only have we lost 20-30 per cent downforce due to the regulation, they also give us the hardest compound available," Sutil told AUTOSPORT.


    "They've made the tyres harder, they've got rid of the downforce and now we have no grip. And in the rain you have no grip anyway and a bad rain tyre.


    "It's all over the place. It's not only us, you can see the on-board [videos] of other cars; it's like rally driving."


    Williams driver Felipe Massa agreed with Sutil's assessment and reckons Pirelli should revise its compounds.


    "I don't like them as well," he told AUTOSPORT. "You go out on the first lap and it's the best, then you get slower because you lose grip.


    "The degradation in the wet, the way the wet behaves, is not good."




    But other drivers said they could not feel much of a difference between this season's wet tyre and last year's.


    Mercedes' Nico Rosberg and Lotus driver Romain Grosjean reckon the struggles for grip are more to do with the way the engines deliver power, rather than the tyres.


    "It is not such a big difference from my point of view," said Rosberg. "It is just that having more torque available, it is a bit more difficult to put the power down on the exits."


    "It is one of those tracks where it is tricky and there is a lot of standing water," added Grosjean, who spun on his final lap in Q2.


    "We know that they are certainly not the best of wet tyres that we have driven, but I have not felt any big difference from the past.


    "We drove inters and extreme, and didn't have any big aquaplaning or anything, so they are safe."



     
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  16. DHCanary

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    I thought Pirelli had made the wet tyres softer this season?
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

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    [h=1]F1 tyre supplier Pirelli open to bigger tyres and reduced downforce[/h]

    Pirelli is open to the idea of rebalancing mechanical and aerodynamic grip in order to improve the racing in Formula 1, including bringing back wider tyres.


    Williams driver Felipe Massa recently urged the sport to study the benefits of introducing wider tyres while reducing downforce, in order to allow cars to follow each other more closely.

    Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery said the tyre supplier had studied introducing wider tyres for this season, but the teams had decided against the move.


    "That was one of the things we discussed last year when we first saw the new regulations - having less aero and we'll give you wider tyres," Hembery said.


    "At the time, the teams didn't feel that was necessary and wanted us to keep the tyre sizes the same so we weren't able to follow that.


    "But we've always said we'll do what the sport wants.


    "If they want us to go up to the old, super-wide tyres we'll do that; 15-inches, 20-inches - you tell us what you want and we'll have a go at it.

    "But you've got to decide what you're trying to achieve."


    Pirelli has been criticised for developing a range of tyres that are too hard for this year's new cars, but Hembery said the need to construct a range of rubber that works across the full spectrum of circuits on the calendar meant compromises were inevitable.


    "From a tyre point of view, you have four compounds and in some cases you are compromised, in some cases you hit the sweet spot," he added.


    "But that variation probably adds some unpredictability to the races."
     
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  18. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I was thinking about Pirelli this morning, And they have actually done a good job this season. DONT BREAK THE FORMULA
     
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  19. EternalMSC

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    Just leave it now Pirelli, it's finally settled down a bit.
     
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