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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Amin Arrears, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Stuart Blampey

    Stuart Blampey Well-Known Member

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    Must have been delayed reaction to that knock about an hour earlier (titter)- obviously nowt to with the way Jerome was pushing him around and off the ball....
     
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  2. StrovolosTiger

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    Would that be the same manager that put the excellent squad together in the first place???
     
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  3. King Curtis

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    Sorry but I disagree. We have lacked fire power up front but I feel we have made a good fist of it. If we were exceptionally poor, most teams would have found us out and beaten us comfortably. I do agree we are higher than we should be but I do think you're exaggerating after a couple of poor results. As for the manager, I know you've never really been an admirer so I'm not surprised your doubts are remerging.
     
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  4. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    There is a vast difference between excellent recruíment and excellent management. Surely there no denying Brucey and his team know a bloody good player when they see one, I just don't think Brucey can get the best from them. I never have done.

    I think he would be the best director of football, in the world. I think he would make an excellent coach. He's a brilliant mentor. His tactics fall very short though IMO.

    The change between Brady and Graham looked like a change in system, it wasn't, it was a straight swap in personnel despite the long ball system he'd set up in the first half not even looking a hint like working. The personnel wasn't the problem today, the 4-2-4 long ball system against a 4/9 5/0 1 defence was the problem.
     
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  5. StrovolosTiger

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    Questions:

    A). Do you actually go to games?

    B) If you do, did you have to buy a seperate ticket for your guide dog?
     
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  6. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    No, what we lacked was a midfield, first half, when in possession, we were a 4-2-4. Only Livermore and Thudd in midfield, constantly hounded by their striker and helped by a palace midfielder when needed. Boyd, Brady, Sagbo and Koren were a flat bank of 4 at the top stuck side by side with a least 1 and usually 2 defenders, trying to play off the shoulder and run behind on all the long balls we played forwards. And dot mistake long balls for Pulis style kick-the-bastard-as-high-and-far-as-you-can, most of ours were ground passes, but still 60/70 yard balls nonetheless with the same tactic and intention, just tailored to sit our shorter attacking players.

    2nd half was identical. That's why most of our attacking game was pass to elmo then he'd try to either run all the way down the wing, or cross from te half way line.

    What we really needed to do was drop off, take possession around the half way line with our midfield and force palace to push out, then try and play in whatever gaps they left. We never even tried that once in 90 minutes. For 90 minutes all we did was play the same long distance passes to their defence over and oer and over again.

    That's how the players were instructed to play. That's why, IMO, the blame lays at Bruce's feet. Same as the first half at saints and the 2nd half at Sunderland.
     
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  7. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    We were poor, they were also. Though they did look more dangerous than us going forward, even through they did not create much.

    Rossy has to play right back, as yet again their goal came from that position.
     
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  8. BigotAlertAnalRimMan

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    Palace did not deserve it. They were ****. Bbut we were as ****.

    This should have been 0-0.
     
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  9. Willson

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    I normally think you are a ****ing moron but I completely agree on the 4-2-4 point, we need a creative player that sits in front of Thudd and Livermore to get on the ball and run at the defence.

    p.s is there any possibility that the not606 auto correct could be changed to British English instead of this American bollocks?
     
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  10. johnbo

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    Draw would have been a fair result today it looked like two teams who will go down. Regarding Bruce he as done a brilliant job so far spending twelve million in the premier league and just to compete is brilliant. He as said time and time again we need luck with injuries because our squad is not good enough, ive seen many on this forum saying Aluko can go ect ect but we are really missing him, i will tell you now what's wrong with this team at the moment Firstly apart from Southampton the defence has been outstanding, the midfield decent the forwards always struggling to score goals but we have competed really well because we have had to excellent wingers who have had pace and trickery got the ball into the box, taken the pressure off the defence and have made the difference. The two players i am talking about are Aluko and Brady (when fit) now instead we have Koren and boyd both brainy players but lacking pace to get to the byline. The biggest problem for Bruce is how can he bring more pace into the team and looking at the alternatives i don't think he can. Its easy to call Bruce and the team --- but given our strongest eleven we have
    played good football competed really well but i am afraid the squad is lacking and as Southampton and today shows its taking its affect
     
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  11. Mussies Catharsis

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    palace simply did a job on us. and they did it well. jelanic was lucky not get a booking, or even stay on the pitch perhaps, but he was their star larker by screwing huddleston and livermore's game leaving us with nothing else to offer. we are getting found out for sure, and things don't good till we can re-enforce in january. it's gonna be a tough season
     
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  12. mazzer

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    I think Rosey has to be picked at Right Back in place of Emo, and what has happened to Faye surely it would be worth a shout to use him if we persist in putting high crosses into the box all the time,/ for the last 10- 15 mins because no one looks like getting on the end of them.
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    With McShane now out for a few weeks, I assume Faye will start against Liverpool.
     
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  14. TygerTyger

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    We need a couple of signings to strengthen the squad in January, but there are two problems there. 1) Who pays if we alienate the man who has put the money in, and 2) Will players want to come if they think the man who is keeping the club afloat may walk?

    I can understand people not liking the name change, but are they prepared to ruin it for all those who just want to see us thrive in the Premiership? The answer seems to be yes. Because they would rather see City in league 2 or administration, than change to Hull City Tigers they will force that on everyone else.

    Personally I'd rather put up with the name change and stay successful than see ground staff etc lose their jobs as we drop out of existence. Still, each to their own conscience.
     
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  15. City1904

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    How where the penalties against Norwich or West Ham not penalties? It doesn't matter if they weren't getting the ball you can't push someone in the box, that is a penalty, end of story.

    The issue yesterday was that Boyd and Koren both cut in instead of sticking wide which meant that there was no width which meant everytime Huddlestone and livermore looked forward there was no space to run into and no-one to pass to out wide. I would play Brady on the left, Elmo on the right with Rosie behind him. Elmo is playing poorly but he gives us natural width and even if he doesn't create much he gives more space to the two midfielders. I also felt for Sagbo everytime he held the ball up he had the two centre backs and Jedinak on him, where as Jerome just had Macca which allowed him to hold it up and play it off to Bolasie. Palace out thought us yesterday and we got it wrong.

    This is no time to panic there are two teams we are 7 clear of, and to say Palace could of won by 3 or 4 is daft, by that stretch of the imagination so could we with Sagbo, Rosie and Davies going close. We had as many chances as them in that sense so why the hell did Palace supposedly deserve 3 or 4 but we didn't?
     
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  16. tigerrev

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    How far away is Chester?
     
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  17. tigerrev

    tigerrev Well-Known Member

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    What he said :D
     
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  18. City1904

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    1) We can't afford to sign anyone in January, we are already making a huge loss.
    2) Do you not worry about owing 70M+ to one man?
    3) Why would the name change stopping mean we go into administration?
    4) Why do we have to choose?
    5) Last time in League Two we still had attendances between 15-20k, which would result in very few if any job losses.
    6) Players will come if we pay their wages, they don't care who pays them it.
    7) Why would changing the name increase income.

    If your not a WUM please answer those questions.....
     
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  19. Willson

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    If we don't stay up those debts will increase so we need to sign players to stay in the league. Allam was prepared to buy Long for £5m on deadline day so I don't see how that will have changed unless he throws his toys out of the pram.
     
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  20. tigerrev

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    I thought Allam said we had funds to bring in a striker in January? On top of which SB may need to wheel and deal, get one or two of our loanees off the books permanently (Mclean, Cairney and maybe Fryatt) to bring in some funds. Plus Sunlan might recall Graham therefore freeing up another loan spot - so who knows?
     
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