I tell my father to **** off at times, doesn't mean I want him out of my life, don't take things so literally, and you say we are over-reacting. The fact is I personally believe (see there "I personally", not you, not tom, not dick, nor harry, but me) that our midfield were utter ****e on Sunday, and here is no excuses for them. Do I blame Shelvey for the goal, no, he tried to feel for the post, missed it, that's just one of those things, being too lazy to do your job in the midfield is not something I can not forgive, and as a result, I was so annoyed at the overall performance of our midfield I said what I did. It is your prerogative to shove flowers up their arses so they smell of roses, but I for one will not. Ah so your a real fan, I get it now. And your on a crusade to be the number one fan, right? But again you hold on to the basics, yet even Ivor was aware of what my point was, that I am not saying they are ****, but are playing ****, huge difference. Didn't think it was that hard to understand, guess I better dumb it down a bit. Interesting, seeing as I have been singing from the same hymn-sheet for some time now, where were you then saying oh its only cos we lost the derby, the derby has very little to do with it, its just came to a head after that shocking showing from our midfield in the derby, it was the last straw for me. See how many times I have said Dyer is playing ****, see how many times I have said Routs is playing ****, see how many times I have said JDG is playing ****, but nope, lets make out its just because we lost the derby to try and make your opinion seem more valid, do me a favour, and **** off. It has nothing to do with winning, god you clearly don;t look at things any further than the bare basics do you. Its about the performace, I don;t care about winning or losing, as long as we at least try. Sometimes that requires us to sit back, sometimes i trequires us to push on. But then agian, we have worked out you look at the very basics of it all to make your point. So whats the point in explaining. Again, its not about the basics of winning and losing, but the performances on the pitch. We will get you to understand at some point, I have faith. Will keep trying to make it clear its not just about winning and losing. Funny seeing as that was something I have pointed out on many occasions, but that still doesn't detract from some of the woeful performances from some of our players. Hell we got promoted to the Premier League, still didn't mean Mark Gower was a good player, just ask FFS. An over exaggeration, thought that part was clear. Or not in your case. Yep its all about the derby, hey, if it makes you think your point becomes more valid, then go for it, as I have already told you, knock yourself out. Playing 70%, there in a nutshell is the ****ing problem.......not where we are in the league, but the level of performances. Ding ding ding, we may actually get somewhere with this bloke.
KJ you know me , there are times when I get totally pissed off with the team too, but in all my years of supporting the Swans if never wished any of the players who normally do well to f%ck off after a couple of bad games, ive also never wished a manager who has done so well to f%ck off because of a dip in form. I beg to differ that he has done well and a dip in form. A dip in form is a couple of games and not from the middle of last season..
not down to him was it. we already had a good team playing well and it was not until he changed things that we have not been effective. so dont give laudrup the credit for someone else's work as he dont deserve it.
Swanselona. what load of rubbish, it must have taken you hours to think it up as well !... I get the impression you doth protest too much ..
Norway I see a lot of people including myself share the same or similar views as swanselona. If you want to talk rubbish, I'm more than happy to discuss Jonathan de useless again
De Guzman had started to play well recently. Ever since I was criticising him in the car on the way to the Liverpool game weeks and weeks ago. He seems to have started to rest on his laurels again believing that he has enough talent to carry him through with minimal efort. He's very wrong; as was shown in all games post cup win last season.
And plenty of people think the likes of yourself and swanselona are going completely over the top I'm all for different views but over the top reactions are a bit daft IMO. There will come a time to rant and rave and tell players and managers to f..ck off but now is not the time. Support the players and manager for a bit longer before crucifying them
I agree NJ. As much as I agree with swanselona most of the time and whilst I completely understand his frustration with our team there has been a huge overreaction imo. This wouldn't have happened if we'd lost to say, Stoke away. The bottom line is that we didn't lose because of our lack of effort or Cardiff's industry (both of which did happen) but we lost to a soft goal on a soft set piece. Again. I actually thing we're arguing about nothing really. We all agree we played poorly second half. The stats are actually respectable for an away team even though neither team had much in the way of an atttacking threat. They had six at the back to start which is a poor show for the home team but that's how they play and it's tough to break them down. The media now seem to agree with my assessment that Laudrup got it wrong yet many insist on blaming players like JDG. Fair enough they're entitled to that view but I just don't get it.
What are you talking about. Who brought Michu in? Who changed us from boring tika-taka Brendan football to a much more attacking minded style? Who got us into Europe? The way some are going on you'd think we were bottom of the league without a win. Our best managers of the last 10 years; 1. Laudrup 2. Martinez 3. Brenda
This slagging match has gone on long enough folks. There's a difference of opinion that isn't going to be mutually resolved, so why keep going over it again and again? Well with all due respect, from reading this and other threads, that's the impression I get from your posts. The point is not this result but the lack of passion in cumulative performances. It doesn't mean someone's any less of a fan by criticising the team. I criticise because it hurts because I care and burying my head in the sand does no good whatsoever. I'm not trying to have a go at you (or anyone else), just my honest opinion I'm of this point of view as well. I haven't bothered commenting as all the reiteration gets tiresome after a while. Peace guys
show where by and i will agree with you but im sorry results since he has been her are below average..go and check...
There are two posters on here ploughing a lonely farrow, clearly they can't or will not give over, that it's not about the Derby, but the complete gutless second half of Sundays game that has now come to symbolise our season this year under Laudrup, and both Norway and the knackered one need some leave of absence, to recover their lost sound little minds!....................
I don't know where I'm placed in this discussion. Somewhere in the middle I guess. It's tough to rate a manager because there's so many factors involved. And to be fair, it's been a tough season for Laudrup: Routhledge and Dyer are underperforming (some might argue that Michu is too), Bony hasn't stepped up to the plate yet, Pablo has been out for the whole season and Williams has had some injuries as well, there's been a lot of changes on the team in the summer transfer and on top of that he's juggling players between Europe and PL. It's not all his fault. As far as the new more direct passing style he's been implementing: it's not more than half a year ago that people were praising him for those changes. Remember? Back when QPR got trashed and when Swansea looked extremely dangerous. It's all water under the bridge I guess and something has gone terribly wrong since then. What it is, we'll have to wait and see. But I think it's too soon to make any rash conclussions. He might be a bad manager and he might be good. What I'm trying to say is that I have no idea....yet.
I think you will find that there is pretty much a 50-50 split on opinion with regards the Cardiff game ,not just here but on other forums too. Daimun whatever your name is I understand your view and believe me when I say burying my head in the sand is not something I do regarding my club, in fact quite the opposite and im sure if you've followed the forum for a while you would have seen that . A lacklustre performance but does it deserve such an over reaction ? What all you guys are missing is this important fact . You became constructive after the initial round of bile and bollocks. My gripe,and the whole point of the thread is that telling players to f..cck off because they are sh!t and saying laudrup can f!!Ck off too is in anybodies book a complete over reaction and embarrassing ! These posters have since decided to window dress and look at things more constructively and divert away from the original comments which is fine, but to say there was no over reaction by some is completely wrong. What they are saying now is that there was no overreaction and that they are worried about the form of the team, well, arnt we all ? Now is not the time to be slagging off players ,the bottom line is that some found it hurtful to lose to the rivals and over reacted and threw the toys out the pram. It hurt every jack, but sometimes you win and sometimes you lose
