Candy fair comment,how did it go with your owners about the renameing? Hope yous win,I like tradition etc.
Some interesting points here. I have thought similar things to a number of you. But I think its a bit of a myth, as stated. The fact the original article was written is partly a tribute to the effect the play off system has - with 6 clubs getting into what are called "the promotion places" (though they are not that, of course) it means fans of clubs outside the top 2-3 tend to look at 5th and 6th and ask "can we at least get there?" If you scan down the table, it does not look a well balanced, even table once you get above Reading on 23 points. the top 3 clubs are winning 50% more points a game than Leeds are, for example - that's a huge gulf in results (in performances and quality, we can debate, but in results it is a big gap). Where the Championship is even and competitive is outside the top 3 (possibly 4) clubs. Its only 10 points between Reading in 5th and Bolton who are just above the drop zone. Any club in that middle group could conceivably make the playoffs, so still have a chance of promotion (not you, Millwall boys, remember - fluking a win in win your cup final is temporary, being rubbish is permanent). Bolton have actually being getting some better results, to use them as a better example, anything IS possible if you talk about 5th/6th position. Doc, I have had the same thought many times about players. Even from L1 to the Championship, the thought occurred to me that some players might feel more secure in their jobs staying in the current league. We know players DO think of that - remember when we were promoted out of L1, Andy Hughes was interviewed straight away to say he was delighted but knew it meant he would not feature (though in his case I believe he is not one who can be accused of failing to try). I suspect we are being a bit too cynical when we talk about most players, the younger ones will probably be more confident (misplaced or not) and believe they deserve a chance to shine at a higher level. The ones to mistrust are........ the "old lags", the players who have been there, done that, see it all before and know in their hearts they are not going to be playing for Leeds United in the Prem, whatever happens. They are the ones we should never ever have signed, for that very reason. I think for most players its not a problem, but for a few it is a big problem - though of course, on any individual player, only the manager can say, we are just fans expressing armchair opinions.
But look at who we have played in the last 3 games QPR Reading Burnley three draws weren't so bad....let's see how your lot get on against them! As one of your contributors said - you've not played many of the top ten yet!
2020 when I mentioned this it was really to get a debate going, but I do feel that there are some players who like to be in the bubble they know and feel comfortable doing what they've always done and then picking up their wages. I agree with you about the old lag type players being the main culprits for this. Our problem is that we've actually done nothing but bring in these old journeymen players for years. BMD is slowly getting rid but the damage is done. Brown is a classic case and should never have been brought in. He preffered to sit on arse at Portsmouth for 18-months picking up big wages even though he knew the club could never play him again and he was prepared to watch the club go into administration rather than play football elsewhere. We tried to get him and he said no because we couldnt match his wages. His club couldnt afford his wages but he was a greedy twat and only came to us once his contract had been paid up. This is the type of player I detest as he's only in the game for cash.
I don't agree with this idea. I think it's absurd to think that anyone wouldn't want to go up. Who wouldn't want a chance to play in the Premiership? Players like Holt and even more importantly Lambert have shown what can happen if you get given a chance. Many players are promoted with Championship sides and get given a chance, and succeed in the Premiership. And even if it doesn't work out, they will be on the market as a player who was been there and won promotion from the Championship, and has some Premiership experience. Who would attract higher wages in the future? Someone who has won promotion, or someone who still plays for a midtable team?
I think that you have played QPR and Burnley and lost both - I don't think you've played Leicester yet!
Yet the irony of you scrawling on little Leeds's board is lost on you. Be careful out there Jack. The yanks will be launching drone attacks on your city soon.
That's funny. I must have dreamt sitting at the king power on an August afternoon then? You are lucky the SBA is already sorted for November.
The original questions was, is the championship rubbish? The answer I think is no. There isn't a great deal of difference between the top two and the top 10 to 12. Everyone can beat everyone else. The problem is that 3 opf those teams will go up knowing that none of them really stuck out in the Champonship. Therefore when they go up, as Palace and Norwich are now finding, the PL is a hard league to stay in. 17th or better has to be the first target for promoted teams to consistently reach. Problem is, this takes money, and even average players are now going for silly money. The question is, if we got promoted this season, who would we bring in anew and who would we try to bring back?
My profuse apologies to all weeds followers - sorry I missed that - your only point against a top 10 Club - Whereas little old Millwall have managed to scrape together 9 points against top 10teams ! Our problem is that we just can't seem to beat **** teams ..... apart from Leeds of course!
Afternoon Tommy. Glad to see you're keeping the light-hearted banter between us two little clubs going strong. Pity that as we grow, we'll leave little old 'Wall behind and will no longer be able to enjoy this friendly rivalry as we return to our rightful home in the PL. Remind me again, where are you in the league and where are we?
As well as rewriting the fixture list are you using a different points system for the league table? The rest of us use: 3 points for a win. 1 point for a draw. 0 points for a loss. All these apply no matter who you play.
Dr Allam promised not to change City’s name without there being provable benefits – which the club will now research (they haven’t yet), and not without wider fan consultation. So there’s a very long way to go before we could ever be “Hull Tigers”, and if we really are to be properly consulted, it’s hard to imagine it’ll ever happen. Initially Dr. Allam thought the group of fans before him were going to be hostile, and felt the need to talk about the good work he’s done. That was unnecessary, we know and are truly appreciative. It took a while to sink in, but it seemed as if our owner understood by meetings end that he and we have the same goal, a successful and independently sustainable Hull City, and that the fans will work with him to achieve that, and only the name is our issue. Surprisingly, Dr. Allam was angry that the fans didn’t protest the Council’s decision not to sell the KC Stadium freehold, and assumed City fans had all the facts on the issue, but they evidently didn’t. The suspicion that Dr. Allam feels the word ‘City’ alludes to the Council rather than the environs of Hull was confirmed, and we have our work cut out convincing him that it simply doesn’t.
