Anyone who can say that of a 19 year old just 5 games into his premiership career is moronic beyond understanding. To say that kind of thing about a player in a team you profess to support is unacceptable. You may have a hatred for the manager a nd his staff, but to attack a player in the way you do leaves your support of Norwich open to question.
This about sums it up for me as well. It still amazes me that a handful of supporters (and I use the term loosely) feel that their personal prejudices and biased views are sufficient to convince the Board to sack a manager working hard to improve the team's long-term future in this difficult league. The players' complaints about this, witness the remarks made by Snodgrass and Pilks, seem to fall on deaf ears. It just amazes me.
There's nothing wrong with it, that's not what I said, just not ALL the bloody time and so frequently with nothing to show for it. Huckerby didn't do it all the time, he focused far more on getting to a much better position to cross or shoot. How many times has Redmond got to the byline? How many times did Huckerby do it, plenty. Now I don't want to compare the two either, in truth they are very different in how they beat players. Redmond may well end up a better player, the ball is closer to his feet when he runs with it and he relies far less on power which for me is a good thing. But I'll reiterate, he's not the one to be focusing our attacks through.
If you believe that then there is very little you offer the forum or anybody else. You've just invalidated any point of view you may have because its never going to be yours, just the managers. You're an idiot Robbie.
I sometimes wonder if you can really be as arrogant as you sound, Carrabuh. Respecting the views of a manager who has played and coached and managed at the highest level for around 30 years seems to be totally beyond you, as you are certain that you know far more than he ever will about the game. Showing respect doesn't mean that those of us who do so don't have views of our own, just that we're willing to consider the views of others, something that seems to be beyond you and some others on here. Your generalisations about players, including that wonderfully sweeping racist one about players of African descent as 'headless chickens', merely reflects the arrogance at the heart of your prejudice and bias about what should be happening on the pitch. It's just amazing that no PL club has come along to ask you to manage them.
I said African players, not African descent, its to do with the footballing culture. You tell me of a small skillful iniesta style player who is has been brought up through the African ranks, same as the English and Scottish. They don't produce them. Now the footballing culture is different in the South Americas, hence players of African descent (although sadly less so now) are brought up differently. If you don't believe me, watch the African Nations, its up and down and headless stuff. The North Africans are a little more refined and patient compared with the rest. It has nothing to do with race thankyou. Its footballing culture.
Superman I would cut off my arm to save my life. That doesn't mean I want to be one handed. It amazes me that you claim to have a footballing background yet you fail to see that the tactics and mentality of the current management set up are regressing the last 4 years of improvement at our club. If we do stick with Hughton and get relegated (which we will eventually, this season or next) the fact that I can say "I told you so" will sadden me greatly.
Should that happen, no one would begrudge you the right to say that. It's just that many of us don't think that is going to happen. Nine games are just not enough to base a judgement on.
thing is, i'm constantly on the look out for the changes the management team are making and i can see them. i could see why he changed our system last season. i could see why he tried to tighten us up. in many cases they make minor tweaks while some are a bit more obvious, but the current manager has already been a part of the clubs improvement that you talk of over the past four years - a very significant part in fact as he's brought in some very good players, far better than we've seen play for this club in probably two decades. he's made us a more solid looking unit (with a few exceptions - but all mid-to-lower teams get battered from time to time. west brom did at anfield last weekend but they still look a good side in general). its all relative. other teams have improved too - maybe we haven't improved as quick as some others? it doesn't mean we haven't improved ourselves. we have improved under hughton. you might not like the way we've improved - you might not even see it - but other than our goal scoring which has unquestionably been a major issue and continues to be so, we have improved all across the board and so far this season, despite the odd nightmare and hiccup here and there, we've improved further still. if we are still struggling to score goals and cut adrift in the drop zone come christmas then i expect the tide will turn too heavily against the manager and maybe the board will act, though i wouldn't guarantee it. people who say 'i told you so' are not the kind of people i care to hang around thanks. feel free to say it to me if it floats your boat but if hughton proves you wrong, don't expect me to say anything so trivial to you. point scoring isn't of any interest to me other than on the football pitch.
But did our football or points total improve relative to the previous season? That's an old argument though! Bah!
i think if you take into account the trauma of losing (arguably) the best manager the club has ever had, our captain handing in a transfer request and losing (arguably) our best player for three-quarters of the season, who also happens to be our goalkeeper, i'd say to finish just two points shy of the previous seasons tally, yes - we had a lot more to deal with than the care-free, whatever-will-be-will-be first season. we had a lot more to lose...
people who say 'i told you so' are not the kind of people i care to hang around thanks. feel free to say it to me if it floats your boat but if hughton proves you wrong, don't expect me to say anything so trivial to you. point scoring isn't of any interest to me Really! After the modest recent improvements and the stoke win in particular you were only to vocal in telling all us pant wetting non-fans how we were all wrong, I thought cheap points scoring against anyone who doubted CH was what has been getting u off these last few week's! Bah!
But CH had experience in The top flight, he spent more money, you'll point out it wasn't his team but to be fair the llevel of surgery PL orchestrated from season to season was just as dramatic. CH still had a full pre-season, though inspite of all of that said it was definitely a fair achievement to stay up. But others have managed it and others are more obviously improving. Southampton are the obvious example, they were doing ok but they were proactive. They could see their managers limitations and acted. They haven't looked back since. Maybe CH will keep us up again I think it's likely, though by the skin or our teeth. The thing is I think we could do better ( not least of all your suggested managers) Bah! P.s. I will probably respond to one more reply on this subject if you wish, because this is just rehashing what we've all gone over countless times already!
simply untrue. i reiterated my stand point. huge, huge difference. i have never ever told people 'i told you so' about anything and won't be doing so either
Minor point - transfermarkt suggests that Lambert spent more than £13m over the course of 2011-12 compared to £9.75m by Hughton. The only reason Hughton spent more was that we budgeted RvW's purchase into the 12/13 season, but I don't think that really counts! Lambert got huge financial backing from the board - if my memory serves me correctly we were around the second highest spenders in the Championship under him.
no matter how you look at it, last summer was turbulent for the club and we came through it. its all very well comparing us to other teams but this was my point about jealousy causing problems. we just need to look after ourselves. we're not saints, we're not swansea - we're doing it our way. if that means slower progress then so be it. saints owner had his 'man' - pochetino - just as mcnally had his 'man' - lambert. no difference there - they both got them in at the earliest possible opportunity. of course there are better managers than chris hughton in world football, although i'm not convinced there are many if any who we could get right now - so unless you can secure them, why replace who we have, a competent manager, with someone who either isn't as good or is his equal, just for the sake of change? if you have a plan in progress under a certain manager, is it not best to try and give that man as much backing as you can so that the plan can come to fruition?
