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QUESTION: Who is the alternative to MICK?

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by johnnywarksmoustache, Oct 27, 2013.

  1. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    I just think it would be good to have a discussion and clear the air amongst us!

    There are some who are now very much anti Mick and will not be happy until he leaves! Personally I think it will be an absolute disaster for us if he does leave now but I just wanted to ask the anti's who they think should be the next manager and what qualities that are different to Mick's that they would bring to our football club?

    Mick has done a superb job in such a short period of time and if he had taken over with us in a better position we would be in the Premiership this season. This season we have amassed sixteen points in thirteen games are in a solid mid table position but some of you are still not happy! Just where do the anti's expect us to be given the lack of funds that were made available to Mick in the Summer?

    Am I firmly in the minority when it comes to supporting Mick 100% and is there now a tipping point of support amongst us Town fans for Mick? Looking at TWTD over the last few days you would think that Mick is the worst manager since Keane in some people's eyes!

    I am just curious to know why people think it would be best for the club if Mick left and who they think would be the best realistic alternative!
     
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  2. Mad ads666

    Mad ads666 Well-Known Member

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    We wanted stability. We're getting stability. We need Mick to stay and keep us progressing. Also had a quick scan st twtd warky and someone mentioned o'neill could be town bound if not roi.
    Nnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooo.
     
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  3. wellyblue

    wellyblue Well-Known Member

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    The problem is that Mick demands nothing less than 100% commitment from his players, and rightly so...so where's his statement of 100% commitment to our club? It's not exactly forthcoming, is it?
     
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  4. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    I think its a difficult situation and MM will never satisfy everyone.......I think he does not want to show disrespect to either Itfc or RoI it would be unwise IMO for him to burn bridges with the RoI because as is widely known he does want to return.... one day.......so i think he is using the mantra ............WHEN IN DOUBT....SAY NOWT.
     
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  5. Hoppersblue10

    Hoppersblue10 Well-Known Member

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    I want MM to stay, we are progressing slow but steady, that I for one am happy with.

    BUT...I think that we as fans deserve to know what is going on with the ROI job and it needs to be sorted one way or the other this coming week.

    As Welly points out I am sure between MM & TC they demand 100% commitment from our players, MM needs to adopt a similar approach this week towards us.
     
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  6. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    I agree really Hoppers it would be great to end any speculation but i think the RoI should be the ones to pull there collective fingers out and speak to people that they want to speak to rather than waiting for the papers/fans to pressure managers to pull out or declare an interest so the RoI can pretend they are getting there first choice.

    And i do think that whatever is going on in the papers or rumour mills that MM AND TC will be 100% committed right till the end of their tenure whenever that may be.
     
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  7. KIO

    KIO Well-Known Member

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    To answer the op's question ............Chris Hughton's your man <ok>
     
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  8. wellyblue

    wellyblue Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    Quality, KIO!! my faith in the Norfolk sense of humor has been restored! Much as we have our laughs, you're a top Budgie...<ok>
     
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  9. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    As I've said Micks certainly not my cup of tea as a manager but he is a very good manager at this level and I really hope he stays, as I think it could be pretty disastrious if he were to leave now with the squad he's assembled.

    As I've said before Mick is about as safe a pair of hands you can get at this level and whatever budget he gets he'd do well I'm sure at almost every level of football bar the PL. He gets teams to do the basics which means in most matches it'll be competitive. I don't think there'd be much difference in Mick McCarthy teams in whatever league we played for example, if we played a conferance team we'd probably win but I'm not sure I could see us overly completely outplaying them or dominating the match, it'd still be tight but the same could be said for top teams in this division, there wouldn't be a great deal between us.

    There are other managers out there who are much more of a gamble but you get the feeling with them they'd have the potential to take a team to the next level if it clicked but at the same time many of them don't get the basics right and that could be a disaster. So for the time being I'm happy with Mick for at least the next season and a half as we have a fairly poor squad and it's generally a Mick squad so other managers may try to change the way we play or not be able to get the same out of the current crop. Plus we are gradually improving so why change, I think we've seen over the past few years be careful what you wish for because what comes next could be a hell of alot worse.
     
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  10. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    I don't think on paper there is a better alternative, but with his mindset not where it should be virtually any serious candidate would be better - Pulis, Holloway, Mowbray even, whoever. But I agree there is no 'knight in shining armour' candidate, in our situation those top candidates would never choose Ipswich.

    We have suffered by not making decisive changes at the right time under Keane and Jewell under the argument that we should give people time, stability and that Ipswich are a different sort of club and that is not an argument that holds any weight. There is a huge amount of money involved, so it's more complicated than usual. There is no easy answer.
     
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  11. white horse

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    mm can only work with the players he's been allowed to have,due to the lack of money being spent by the owner of the club ,it should be ME we are venting our anger at ,we have second rate players at the best at the club what more can you expect from them ?mid. To lower placing in the league is where we are ,and where we shall stay while things stay as they are .All moans must be directed at the owner ,marcus Scrooge !!
     
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  12. Roystonblue

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    I find it quite interesting that MM has been slated on this (& apparantly) other forums in recent times but when a perfectly reasonable & sensible question is asked i.e. who would be better, not 1 answer. I would be happy to keep MM because at this level & with the funds available, i don't think there's anyone better
     
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  13. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    I'm actually pleased ME has tightened his belt and is running the club properly. Yes it would be nice to see Mick have a bit more money and I'm sure he'd be doing better if he had but then I don't think it will change a great deal about the type of player Mick goes for etc, or how we play. It would be nice if Mick had a bit of money to play with but I don't want ME backing him with a tonne of money for the sake of being put under pressure by fans and Mick, stick to the plan of financial prudence.
     
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  14. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Great post! Royston Blue

    Have some REP <ok>
     
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  15. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    Erm yep apart from the three names that I threw in off the top of my head and another dozen if I gave it some thought.
     
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  16. stretchyboy

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    I like MM..i think he's a great guy, very honest, and very hardworking. But, i don't feel he can take us much further than he already has. Yes, he's done a great job on a shoestring budget, but i think he's found his level. Everyone knows he's not a risk taker, therefore you will not get us promoted with that philosophy. I'd like us to get someone in (probably for next season now) who is a little more younger, dynaminc and has the desire to get us to the premiership - someone with fresh ideas who has no qualms about taking a calculated risk. I'm not talking about the gung ho approach of Di Canio, but someone who doens't mind tinkering with the team, and actually studies the opposition and tries to negate them whilst trying to win the game.
    I know it's a rather long shot, but i'd like to see someone like Di Matteo. I do not want to see Holloway or Pullis at this club. If Di Matteo is out of our league, then i honestly wouldn't mind Mowbray. I know he has had an up and down management career, but i think we could be the right club for him.
     
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  17. Hoppersblue10

    Hoppersblue10 Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you say Stretchy but arguably the best players we have at the club are in the starting 11 most weeks, MM does not really have a strong enough hand to do much tinkering with.
     
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  18. Mike_Holmes1990

    Mike_Holmes1990 Well-Known Member

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    Starting 11 I agree, Hoppers. Maybe with the exception of RB.

    But I think there is more room for manoeuvre in his subs than he's currently showing.
     
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  19. tractor bhoy

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    Hoppers, I would agree that we start with arguably our strongest 11 every game (I would prefere we played a natural rb) but the substitutions are predictable and could be more decisive if we are chasing the game.
    Murphy off at around 70 mins for Nouble is a regular. Anderson for Edwards and Tabb for Tunnicliffe are also fairly standard. None of these really change the style of play. We could easily switch to a front 3, especially given how adventurous Cresswell is on a left, its means we wouldnt lack width on that side. Im not a great fan of Edwards either but again you could put him on at RWB if we are chasing and then change shape totally. We can go from 442 to 433 or 343 very easily if we need to get a goal back.
    It is possibly my only real criticism of a manager who has done an amazing job here and has stopped us from becoming a total disaster.
     
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  20. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    I think a manager like Mick is more likely to get us out of this division than most other managers, consistency is key to get out of this division and solidarity. If you look at most of the teams who went up in top spot over the years, they are mainly nothing spectacular and have gone up being consistent and solid but those teams who perhaps struggle abit more to get out of the division and have that attractive style of play often don't finish top but when they do go up they seem to tend to do alot better once they're up where as the more solid consistent teams tend to struggle.

    Look and Norwich Swansea and Southampton, all got out of this division taking a few risks, playing attractive football yet not changing the dynamics too much once they got promoted. Even going as far back as when we were promoted in 2000 this was the case.

    I think that is why Mick will always be very successful at this level and we would be stupid to think he can't improve us and particularly the disaster of what has happened over the last few seasons abit of stability is great but always the criticism with him at all the clubs he's been at is he's unable to take them to the next level and I think that comes from his mindset. Which is so frustrating because he certainly has the talent, but to reach the top he needs to go out of his comfort zone sometimes and take risks.
     
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