Hi this is my first ever post on ANY forum so please be kind :0) With the crazy transfer season open there seems to be an ever growing trend of English born players being transferered for silly money. From Jolen Lescott 24m, to Andy Caroll 35m, now Jordon Henderson 20m!!! My question is does anyone know how a player is actually valued? Is it pluck a figure out of the air and see what you can get ? or is there a more systematic way of calculating a players value?
Supply and demand mate. The price is only dictated by what the market will bear, and yes it is increasingly silly. On the flipside, transfer history is littered with players that were great in their home countries, but never adapted to the English game. Looking for bargains abroad can be a massive gamble.
I'm sure there is an element of air plucking and i'm not sure there is a 'systematic way' but when you scratch your head at some of the prices bear in mind things like the players age, length of existing contract, length of new contract, possible resale value, current and required wages, marketability and possible increase in other revenues - shirt sales & ticket sales for example, demand from more than one club generating an auction, and how desperate or stupid the club/manager is to sign the over priced twat in the first place. Oh and welcome to the site by the way - congratulations on your first post!
I think Camberwell pretty much hits the nail on the head, domestic transfers of talented players within the prem are always inflated because the player involved has already proved himself in the league unlike brining in someone from the continent. I do think though some of the bigger clubs and those with money to splash have created somewhat of a false economy in football because they go after players who are essentially no
I understand your point but there are many cases of proven quality "non-domestic" players moving between premier league clubs, that did not command over inflated prices. Steven Pienaar 2m, William Gallas free, Nzogbia 6m
All well and good paying well over the odds for English players... BUT... Are they really any good... Think we are reaping the chaffs of a very depleted crop of English players, and consquently there are fewer English players around, and not that many good ones at that... Sir Geoff Hurst recently commented England will never win the World Cup again in his lifetime, and probably not in mine either....wrong side of 40... Stan
Welcome to the site mate, they're over-priced, cos there aren't enough good ones. It's not a mugs game buying them, cos they add spirit and steel, you don't get from jonny foreigner(see Arsenal)
Damn right Northolt, besides, if no one buys English, the English team would be naff... ...er hold on, we need to invest in the youngbloods of England, for they are the future. Perhaps a cap on JFs could help the cause?
Is seems to me that the whole point of buying young, unproven English talent is that you will get a "bargain". But now there is a premium attached for young unproven English players. If you had a choice to spend 55 million on Henderson and Carroll or Van der Vaart and Mascherano for half that amount what would you do ?
We are bloody naff! Didn't you watch the game on Saturday? The FA/Premiership should only allow 4 foreign players in the team.
LoneRanger Limiting teams to FOUR English players, will be against EU employment laws. In any case the Dutch league is flooded with foreign players, but they still maintain to turn out top quality players year in year out, and this from a country not much bigger than Wales, and with a population of about 15 million... Fault lies with the coaching of grassroots players in this country... Stane
Stan Agree totally. Too simplistic to blame the presence of foreign players for ills of the national side.
Saying they couldn't play at all would be against EU rules, limiting the amount of foreign players wouldn't be and is planned by UEFA anyway.
If you look at the England team, there are still plenty of players from Champions league sides, Europa league sides and some others (Villa contribute a fair few). That's always been the case as I remember (possible exception was when Man U produced a string of home-grown players in mid 90s). Definitely agree that the youth coaching is not up to it from a technical viewpoint. Re. the original post, I think that it's simply a case of players who have experienced the pace of the game here combined with age and contract status. I think the media can inflate prices by implying widespread interest in players. What I don't understand is how Carroll can cost £35M whereas someone like Danny Sturridge can be loaned out (I did say at the time that Sturridge would score more goals that Carroll) and presumably would be available for a LOT less (can we sign him please).
QPR Matt i totally agree with the fact the media seems to have a massive influence on transfer cost purely on who is "flavour of the month" at the time. Michael Mancienne has just been bought for 3mill and has nearly double the amount of premier league games as Phil Jones... So is it really a case of English players attracting a premium or media flavour of the month??
Ellerslieroad - I think there is a premium associated with English players but it is a prestige thing from the big boys. Mancienne has been on the fringes of the England team and is still young but there has never been enough hype to make everyone stand up and take notice (and therefore warrant a huge price tag). There was also relatively little resistance from his previous clubs about him possibly moving on as opposed to a Phil Jones. I suppose clubs have to take a reasoned guess as to the valuation for a player and if the daily rags report that a large bid has been turned down then that makes clubs increase their valuation (past whatever figure the daily BS plucked from the air). Another odd one is Chris Smalling who I think went for about 10M but made very few appearances for Fulham. A large fee but I think that's because Fulham didn't really want to sell.
