OT- Racism is Eastern Europe

Some of you will have seen or heard about the Yaya Toure getting more racial abuse in Russia last night, a shocking event indeed.
It seems as though the likes of Poland, Ukraine and Russia are still living in the 80's with hooliganism and Racism rife. What's worse is that when the muppets at FIFA or UEFA do act... they hand out bull**** £20k fines.... nothing at all to the rich oligarchs.
If the events were in England or Germany our clubs would have had the book thrown at them for certain.
I feel for the clubs as ultimately it is their fans letting them down.

What I want to see therefore is something like the following implemented with immediate effect:

1 incident of proven racism by more than 1 individual = 3 match closed stadium and permanent banning orders
2 incidents - 6 matches + banning orders
3 incidents- 12 matches + banning orders + 1 year ban from Europe
4 incidents- 24 matches + banning orders + 3 year ban from Europe
5 incidents- Season long ban = banning orders + 5 year ban from Europe

The above plan would allow the team still to play, but remove fans from the equation. All the spin in the world isn't going to eradicate racism, it's the fellow fan who needs to play a lead role in that department. If you were a ST holder at a Russian club and the guy next to you was doing monkey chants you would at least try to stop him if it meant you not being able to watch your team for a few games.

We keep getting told it's only a minority of fans so the majority should now step up and collectively take ownership of issues like this at their own clubs.

 

Is it illegal to be racist in these countries, though? Fifa and UEFA are committees, not a government.

If it is illegal to be racist, then I think it's really the responsibility of the countries to stop it with harsh measures. If it isn't, I know this sounds incomprehensible, but why do we have the right to tell them how to name-call? At the end of the day, that's what it is. You hear some pretty savage efforts at premier league games, but we're cracking down on comparisons with innocent monkeys as oppose to other things (I actually think the area for no swearing Ashley put in is quite a nice idea, to be honest, even if I'd rather date Smug's mum then f***ing sit there ). In that instance, for me, I say it's purely down to black players. They either go there, don't listen to the ****e craic, and play every white guy off the park, or they don't go and racists are deprived of seeing good players. Letting it bother them is the only bad choice.

 

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

 

The government and it's people of these countries have to want to change we cant make them.
We have moved on and I think it's great but it get's on my nerves when the politically correct gang go overboard as we have seen over Roy Hodgson's half time talk.

 

Abuse is abuse no matter how it manifests itself.

 

Football is governed by national and international bodies not by individual countries, within that governance clubs are held responsible for the behaviour of their supporters irrespective of their local or national legislation, just because other countries have either no legislation or no will to enforce legislation with relation to racial or other forms of intolerant abuse does not mean it should be accepted or condoned when UEFA or FIFA have mechanisms that can deal with aspects of this. I have worked with a number of people over the last 10 years from various Eastern European countries including Poland, Czech, Latvia, Estonia, Romania and Russia, many of them I remain in touch with but when it comes to racial intolerance many make our BNP look tame and some are far beyond that.

 

So you think not letting these countries host football games will somehow revolutionize perceptions?

FIFA should have no authority to impose a certain value of a nation. They are a football body, not a morality gauge. Working with countries to solve problems, sure, but those countries are the ones fundamentally responsible and need to make the first move.

 

You seem to have completely misconstrued my point and have very little understanding, FIFA/UEFA etc do not have any authority to impose values or rules on nations, they do however have the authority to impose values and rules on any football ground that is afiliated with any of the games ruling bodies whether national or international, the national and international campaigns on racism and discrimination in football are backed by the ruling bodies irrespective of individual countries attitudes. Taking your attitude then the international pressure that was exerted through sport, trade and politics on South Africa to change its attitude to apartheid and the indigenous population should never have been persued, FIFA/UFEA the English FA and every other ruling body should be a moral compass, I am not someone who accepts the increasingly politically correct world that we live in but there has to be a line beyond which any behaviour becomes unacceptable in civilised society, we fought major world wars as a nation on this very principle. You are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone, I retain my right to disagree and express that disagreement in the best way I can.

 

Do the national associations of these countries not have to sign up to some sort of UEFA/FIFA charter regarding behaviour in grounds? All you can ask is that those associations do their very best to combat the problem and that UEFA/officials impose club sanctions such as stopping the game to ask the abuse to stop or it will be abandoned, or making clubs play behind closed doors if there supports ideals are felt to be out of line with the charter. UEFA/FIFA can't govern te behaviour of any countries/clubs fans.

I don't think you can ask players to just get on with it but it is a difficult one because you have to punish the masses for the sake of the minority. There isn't an easy option. What I do know is stopping games, behind closed doors etc isn't going to change people. Football isn't that powerful. It can help in a small way but you are talking about a large cultural problem in most circumstances.

 

Agree that FIFA shouldn't rule above law.... But they can take the forum for the racists away (their competition).
fans should keep their own house in order.
I've told 18-19 year old ****ers near me to cut out swearing in front of my 8 year old at SJP and to be fair they shut their potty mouths now. It ain't hard.
its time to really clamp down and cut out the rhetoric.
sadly though, **** all will happen.

 

Yeah but you're harder than Sepp Blatter mate

I would love for stadiums to become nicey nice places where fans simply try and out-sing each other, and the craic is decent and good humoured, but it's not going to happen. As I say, my real concern is violence, so hopefully everyone behaves themselves on derby day.

I'll be at work telling customers to piss off while I watch the game on my mobile

 

It's clearly an emotive topic fellas. Let's just hope the powers that be (whoever they are) keep this issue firmly on the agenda instead of sweeping it under the carpet like usual.

 

Racism gone mad, who wouldn't like Toure in their team?
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UEFA president Michel Platini has ordered an immediate internal investigation into the failure to follow proper protocol in dealing with the alleged racist abuse of Yaya Toure by CSKA Moscow fans.

The European governing body has already charged the Russian club with the "racist behaviour of their fans" after Manchester City's Toure complained of monkey chants directed at him during the Champions League match on Wednesday night.

UEFA issued another statement on Friday, which read: "Further to the opening of disciplinary proceedings against CSKA Moscow following the alleged racist behaviour of some of their supporters at the UEFA Champions League match between CSKA and Manchester City FC on 23 October, UEFA president Michel Platini has requested that the UEFA administration immediately conduct an internal investigation to understand why the three-step protocol established to deal with incidents of a racist nature was not implemented."