Yes if we only get 41 points in any season no matter if we stay up or go down, I think that will be a **** season.
So what is your aim, survival alone obviously isn't it, so is it mid table? top 6? top 4? title? And it was you who brought up the 28 points in 26 games was a nightmare. You were replying to Mabon who told you that getting 9 points in your next 3 was a dream, so I can't see where it was brought up before you mentioned it, be interesting for you to point it out to me. So if 41 from 38 games is a "**** season" I bet your already given up seeing as you only have 8 from 8. Blimey.....
So just to be clear, you would be happy with 41 points. Yet you say you are an established mid-table team, but you have not been performing poorly. And then on top of that you say that since we (a newly promoted team) accept an 8 point start to the season this means that is all you (apparently an established mid table side) need to be happy as well. Keep slapping your foreheads because it is fun to watch you stumbling along so you just don't have to say you have been underperforming over a period of 26 matches, whatever the reasons are for it. At least one of you gave a reason for your slump.
I would be happy with 41 points if we played Man Utd, Spurs, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs 3 games each in 1 season.
Well a lot of people here seem very down in the dumps and even Sparkey has said you're not good enough. Sounds like giving up to me. Didn't realise you were so sensitive about Tan's machinations. He was "making a point"? WTF?? Malky should get out and take the Palace job.
You did say you would like 9, but would be happy with 5, but Mabon who I imagine was tongue in cheek said to stop dreaming, which you then brought the stats out. To which I pointed out 13 of those games were against higher opposition and that based on that and the "expected" points tally of those games, we didn't do all that bad, which you replied "if you say so" (or along those lines) to which I pointed out that even such a "nightmare" run, was enough for survival. So are you telling me that it was not you who brought up out last 26 games, and that we only had 28 points from it, and that it was a nightmare run. Also you failed to answer my question. So what is your aim, survival alone obviously isn't it, so is it mid table? top 6? top 4? title? As I said, that horrid run you refer to is enough for survival, something which I believe many Cardiff fans would be happy with this season. After all, the money from the Prem League will set your club up nicely for the future, so staying up has to be a big part Cardiff City's targets. And seeing as 41 points has been good enough to stay up the last 10 seasons, and be as high up as 14th place, then that has to be a realistic aim of yours, or at least Cardiff City. Or is it because 41 points on our nightmare run is what your using to try and score points, 41 points is no longer good enough for you. What would you yourself prefer? 41 points and survival 45 points and relegation But then I know your answer, 45 points, as you have already said 41 is a **** season.
But your best is not good enough whilst we know the days of obscurity is long over for the swans because the club has good leadership.
Really? I have seen us moving back up the table lately while your guys are dropping, of course there is a point in arguing more
How do you work that one out Let's put this as simple as I can, I know your brain hurts but try to keep up. 41 points whether it keeps you safe or not should not for me the aim for Cardiff City, they should aim for a higher point total 45 to me should be the starting point where you could think it as a decent season. I think we should be aiming for 14th or better. I see no reason why we can't try for 10th, unlikely yes but not impossible.
We are not a quarter of the way through the season yet and anything can happen. I dont think either team can be to cocky at this stage of the season. both teams are doing ok from what i can see and i hope both teams can stay up but its not a certainty at this stage of the season, Both have decent managers and players at the end of the day and both can beat anyone on the day. come on the welsh i say and have respect for all welsh teams whatever league they are in..
There are so many stats flying around this thread. Perhaps the best solution would be to look to the kings of stats... the bookmakers. And here are the odds for relegation: Swansea > 25/1 Cardiff > 2/1 #Roar
At what point did I say I would be happy with 41 points? Please point it out to me. Our 'nightmare' run is enough to keep us up. Your current run is not. Bad form is not permanent, teams come out of the slump - although I am quite flattered that your lot consider our position of 11th a slump - Your team however are playing at the best of their ability, yet a point a game will not keep you in the division. We will finish mid table, as we have done the two previous seasons. Your lot are untried in this division and are not doing enough right now to keep you up. Do you honestly think your players are capable of going up another gear? Because you can bet that's what Sunderland and palace will be looking to do under new management.
How do you know our best is not good enough. We beat Man City we showed, we can win. What we accept is that this season will be tough, we are not good enough to assume we will stay up, and we will have to be at our best to get our points. This is just too funny. So you think we are saying compared to Cardiff you are in a slump?? No, we are saying that according to your own lofty expectations of being near the top 6, your form over 26 matches has not been good. You seem happy to compare your performances to a newly promoted club. I don't think you get it do you. Umm, you pointed out your form would get you 41 points and that that was not a slump. Nightmare run, just a slump is fine. A point a game has often kept a team up by the way. In fact it would have got 15th one season. I love the way you also assume that a newly promoted team who has played Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, and Everton, has picked up an away win, and have 8 points from 8 games are not good enough for the division. I think we are doing as expected. So yes, I think we can end up looking between 39-45 points for the season, as the more matches we play the more acclimatized we will get. The game against Chelsea we actually played very well for an hour. That bodes well for the future. All my point has been is that Swansea's form has not been very good over a lot of matches, so the next three weeks are all games we can get points from. Seems rather a reasonable comment. But reasonable does fit into the obsessed visitors (room mates is probably a better word) we get
Dont any of you jacks have any mates who support the bluebirds.? and do you bluebirds have any jack mates who are passionate fans.? I have plenty of cardiff city mates and good mates too so i wish both sets of fans get to realise how bloody childish this "my club is better than your club bollox" ..to outsiders you ain't half letting both clubs down as you are acting like 5 year olds...It don't matter one jot who has the best manager or players or chairman at the end of the day....As a grown up who supports swansea i recognize that without vincent tan cardiff would not be where they are today and before that you could say the same about huw jenkins. I am proud as a welshman that at last we have two teams in the top flight and long may it continue. Of course we each want to be the top club and beat each other but that is called competition and sometimes the swans will win and sometimes the bluebirds will win and that is it...you all look ridiculous point scoring and my team are the worst of the worst if you look at the childish posts...grow up both sets of fans and be grateful that at last we have two teams in the top flight and be proud of that instead of acting like a spoiled brat....rant over..
Why? Palace is a good, solid Club with a young, ambitious Chairman who doesn't send 'instructions' down to his Manager. And they're only a handful of points behind you. If he's got any sense he'll go for it. Thing is I think he feels loyalty to the fans and the players which is to his credit I suppose.
All of those assumptions based on your intimate knowledge of both clubs? What instructions? You are one of the worst posters on here for shouting a load of bollocks and presenting it as 'fact'. No manager with any sort of aspirations of staying in the PL would consider the Palace job their squad is a total mess without the funds to sort it out. If a club with a chance wants MM we will all see then how much the Moody situation has affected things, he might well go, but he might not either. If he was going to walk he would have already, I know it upsets you lot he hasn't gone but you'll have to get your heads around it for the time being.
