Trivial little point in the videos, but I think it's noticeable that Ed Chamberlain can barely hide his glee, hearing these two talk about Saints this way.
Clyne was in Garth Crooks team of the week along with Lovren, he was suggesting him for an England spot so I think the press is starting for Clyne.
I suppose we just see the role very differently. To me, that's exactly what Wanyama should be doing. Midfielders shouldn't be in the final third, they should be in midfield, breaking up attacks in the initial phase and before they get to dangerous areas. Win the ball back early and recycle possession. This is probably even more important in Pochettino's system. It's a pressing defense with a high back line. So even the center backs play more in midfield than the final third, which means that Wanyama needs to play further up the pitch as well. I said this all last year. It's great that Cork and Schneiderlin were able to cover so much ground and in many cases make last ditch tackles (like Schneiderlin did last game against Welbeck) in front of goal, but they shouldn't have had to do that. And this year, they've had to do it far less often. It's a fairly aggressive, fairly high-risk defensive style. If there were a weakness at DM, it would have been exposed very quickly. Instead, it's the best defense in the Premier League so far and that is because everyone, including Wanyama, knows their role and plays it well. It would be nice if Wanyama would play fewer bad passes, but he's getting the important things right. Most of his bad passes are because he plays it too soft, but hopefully that will happen less as he adjusts to the pace of the Premier League.
what's the difference?> __________________________________ re: rabbitspectrum: I remember that incident with Wanyama not following the runnerr. Infuriating, glad it didn't result in a goal.
Yes I have, if they have deserved it. This "article" is boring and could have been cut & paste from a hundred others that have been in the media this week. If he had wrote it a couple of weeks ago, being bold by choosing a subject that wasn't "trending" at the time, it would have had some merit. As it is, its saying absolutely nothing new. So what's the point of it?
Agree with this completely, and i think his passing will improve. I personally think he's lacking a bit of confidence in his passing which is causing him to hold back a little and the pass goes astray, he should adjust. The one thing that does worry me about Wanyama is he does lose the ball i little to much, i would expect him to be the best at ball retention but that's not been the case. It seems sometimes he'd rather try and out muscle a player rather than play an easy pass and a few times this either resulted in him losing the ball, or falling over a winning a free kick. The free kick isn't bad thing on the face of it but it does stop our chance of a quick break.
Fair points. The video I quoted was an abysmal bit of defending that would have lead to rooney having an easy shot at goal if not for schneiderlin's brilliance. The resulting corner saw van persie hit the bar. As I have said a few times now until you start evaluating the actions themselves rather than the result of the match or the total sum of goals conceded you won't formulate a worthwhile opinion. His passing may be the result of low confidence but equally his low confidence may be the result of his poor passing. It doesn't seem to phase him that much and I think he has limited his passing of late and his team mates have favoured better ball carriers.
It looks stupid, but Wanyama had the right idea there, that play is extremely common and Clyne should have been aware of Evra overlapping. Maybe he didn't shout loud enough, but I think Clyne's the one at fault there to be honest.
Equally until you learn to write in a tone that doesn't come across as spectacularly patronising, it's likely any worthwhile opinions you have will lose a lot of their weight with the people reading.
Never seen it before, there is no advantage in trading places. given wanyama had the momentum it would make sense for him to track the runner with pace up. Clyne has to stay to control the player from cutting inside or putting in a cross. As for being patronising that is a pathetically precious comment.
OK. Sometimes on the phone app, threads show up as 'articles', and when you click on it, it doesn't show replies to the OP or allow a reply. View the same thread on a normal computer though, it's just another thread. I thought there was maybe someway you could classify your thread differently.
No, it's a trademark of your posts. You fire off a double barrel load of opinion (such as JWP will never make it in the Premiership, or Wanyama is hopeless - yes, I've paraphrased) and then anybody that has the temerity to possibly disagree you pick out as clearly not on your plain of intellect or footballing knowledge (goodness knows what you must think of the likes of Pochettino who keep ignoring your wisdom). Have a look through your posts, though I fear you don't recognise it. Nothing precious about it, it genuinely makes me laugh. But you know....carry on.
It was simply that the thread title was Article. Change the thread to an article and you get Article: Article. What you say for your phone app can also be true when viewing on a conventional PC. It just depends from which direction and path you access the site from.
I wrote the article last week, before the Man Utd game. It was originally supposed to go on another website, but I decided to put it on here.
We do it very regularly and it's a perfectly legitimate tactic. Wanyama was jogging across and matching Evra whilst closing the inside on Januzaj, when Evra breaks into a sprint he immediately puts his hand out and shouts to Clyne to track him (Clyne does the same) as Clyne has better closing speed, is closer, and is better at defending players against the by-line. Meanwhile, Januzaj wants to come inside, and Wanyama has the better inside cover with Adam also coming across to fill the area Januzaj wants to get to, and since Wanyama is more used to defending in central areas he wants to occupy that position. A poor bit of miscommunication and misunderstanding, but not as ridiculous as it may look with it initially just seeming Vic wanted a cuddle. I wouldn't be surprised if you asked Mauricio he'd say Vic did exactly what he wanted him to (Although the bit where he and Nat stand around dumbfounded as the ball is played to Evra is slightly less optimal ).
If Clyne and Wanyama had been exactly in tune, then technically the right move would have been to switch and if done perfectly would have worked. I would agree that that's the right idea. But Evra is initially a bit inside/behind Clyne and Clyne commits to whoever has the ball. It looks like Clyne vaguely saw Evra and was aware of his presence, he tried to quickly signal to Wanyama to take him but covered the man with the ball. At that point, Wanyama can see Clyne, but Clyne can't really see Wanyama or Evra so Wanyama really should have just stuck with Evra. It would have been nearly impossible for Clyne to react quickly and well enough to pull off the perfect switch. Just not enough time. So that's why I think it was Wanyama's fault. Nonetheless, I agree that it looked more stupid than it actually was. You can clearly see Wanyama trying to signal (and I would assume yell) to Clyne to switch and it also looks like Clyne is doing the same thing at the same time. Both assumed the other had heard, and there wasn't time to work it out. But it wasn't an example of Wanyama wandering around out of position, not knowing what he was doing. I'm with Gary Neville. If anyone drifted foolishly into a bad position on that play it was Lovren. That allowed Rooney(?) to get into the box with tons of space. But fortunately Schniederlin snuffed out the pass.
Clearly Wanyama should have followed the runner as the right back was jockying with the player in possession. I play right back this is what I would expect anyway. And as far as I'm concerned, Clyne's game is almost flawless. This was VW's only mistake though, it was his best game so far imo. Solid in the tackle and on the ball, and drove forward a few times and won free kicks in good positions.
Well sorry but I think Clyne should have followed Evra. The alternative is Wanyama running all the way around Clyne and the player he is marking, which inevitably allows Evra to get almost as much space as he did with nobody following him. That's why every team does this, because it's simply the only way to ensure the overlapping player doesn't get as much space.
