Btw Mossy, can you relay this to Matt:- "The Commission asked Mr Evra why, then, did he not tell the referee that he had been called ******, as opposed to black. Mr Evra's answer was that even when he pronounced the word "******s", it was not a word he liked to use." It's paragraph 271, page 69 of the FA report.
Fair do's, for someone who "can't be arsed to restart some Long winded boring tedious 'debate' that leads nowhere" you're taking a pretty good stab at it. As pointed out earlier, you're completely missing the point. This isn't about Suarez and Evra per se, it's about the unholy effing mess the effing FA have made by their ill considered and opportunistic bandwagon jumping in the first place. Many of us said at the time that they'd set a precedent they could never maintain, and the reason it keeps coming up is because examples of their double standards just keep rolling in. Just as a mental exercise, imagine the ****storm if Goofy had used a simian simile in such a manner. Do you believe for one second he would get the same dismissive reaction that Roy, quite rightly, has received?
Don't worry Tobes, i'm sure that it will come out in the wash that Suarez told Woy the joke when they were watching the Utd game!!!
Just to dabble briefly in this as I believe what Gerrez said about the media to be true, but a number of years ago a colleague of mine was suspended from work instantly for calling a child, 'a little monkey,' by pure co incidence the child was of a differing skin colour to that of the teacher. That same teacher had referred to many a child with the same skin colour as a little monkey and nothing had ever been said. The result was that the teacher was rightly or wrongly dismissed on the grounds that the parents of the child (not the child) took offence. Whether we agree or not using a monkey in his 'joke' was ill judged by roy regardless of whether or not anyone agrees it is about who takes offence nowadays (and its been like that for a while). I think what a few have pointed out is fair, this being that what has angered some of our fans is that roy has been protected, when really the fa needed to deal with this in the same manner as all of the incidents before it, this is an issue of consistency but tbf with fa it is always that.
I think it's quite sad how people try to find racism in anything these days. I used to be called a 'cheeky little monkey' when I was younger. If a teacher said that now to a white kid, it'd have the same meaning. If said to a black kid in the same context, they'd be fired for it.
Exactly my point above but it was worse to me as the child did not bat an eyelid, it was the parents, the whole country gone bonkers and tbf it the press who get everyone riled pitting the tribes of supporters against one another
We are all agreed that Roy did nothing wrong and had no racist intent at all. This is an extreme example of PC and of some sensitive souls taking offence where there was none intended. I agree with many black commentators (like Barnes, Dublin) in that it must be all about context and intent. We can all cite examples of casual racism and of situations where there was none. The calling of the child as a monkey in the nursery, the bouncers as gorillas, and an infinite number of examples none of us could possibly disagree. Where we will disagree is your assertion that the FA did wrong and set unacceptable or double standards. Without using the specific example of Evra or Suarez, I cannot see how as a national public funded institution the FA could have done anything different when coming under pressure from government , national organisations, and others. What you and Liverpool fans see as jumping on a bandwagon others see as acting according to societal norms often under pressure and under severe scrutiny. Even now we have people saying that the FA dud not act severely enough. Maybe the tribal in me would have reacted the same as many Liverpool fans (not all) had Suarez been playing for United. When all is said and argued, it has to come down to intent and context. My calling my young son a monkey for doing silly things in the home for is 100% different to calling my black colleague a monkey in an argument
Or walking up to a south American and specifically saying in Spanish that they should go and **** their whore sister? Is that not an open and shut case of E3(1) on its own, let alone has more racial connotations re the Spanish element than calling someone a monkey? At the very least, to quote Piara Powar, does it not behove Evra to be aware of what he says in a 'diverse' environment? An 'exclaimation' my arse, and don't forget that evra never offered this evidence, as Luis had - when the FA trawled through the VT tapes (with Evra!) to find evidence against Luis, the only thing they found was EVRA breaking their conduct code. So, was it not racist NOT to charge Evra?
So this incident which happened within weeks of the Suarez one didn't show double standards [Peter Brown sent a racist joke from his work email account]: "Peter Brown, who works with the Bedfordshire FA and is set to retire soon, publicly apologised for the largely ignored incident early in the autumn and offered to retire immediately, but not only did the English FA choose not to take him up on that offer—they failed to take action against him in any way. There was no fine or suspension, and Brown is expected to see out his duties until later in the year when he would have retired even if racist emails sent by him had not come to light."
Matth said the video of Evra saying "******" on youtube is fake God bless him he won't reply to any post that debunks his stupidity god bless him.
Apparently the FA have looked into it and found no further action was required. I can understand that the FA is not flavour of the month with Liverpool fans but I can't see what else they could have done here.
