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  1. dansafcman

    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport...e-and-cabral-down-the-pecking-order-1-6116989

    “There’s no problem at all with Diakite,” shrugged Ball when he was asked about it at the Academy this week. “It’s not that he has been injured,

    “It’s just that I chose to go with the players I did for those games.

    “There’s no hidden reason.

    “It’s just that at the moment we’ve chosen to go with the set of players we have done and as things stood, he missed out.

    “That’s not something that might not change in a week or two weeks but who knows?

    “People shouldn’t read anything into it.

    “Personally,I thought Cabral did well against Fulham but there was a view that he wasn’t doing enough in training to warrant his selection ahead of others, and that’s his challenge.

    “He’s a good player but he needs to do more.”

    Ball, though ,understood the viewpoints of supporters.

    He told the Echo: “Football is all about talking points and fans go on what they see.

    “But coaching staff see players every day on the training ground and they’ll look to pick the best team for the opposition they’re facing, along with who has performed best in training.

    “Sometimes decisions taken must look confusing to those who are outside the training sessions.

    “But in terms of the two players mentioned, it’s not that there’s any reason other than that we look to pick the best starting XI.

    That is based on what we see in training and obviously for the public it’s harder for them to see who has performed particularly well in any given week.

    “They just have to trust the fact that coaching staff will have their reasons for why someone is starting ahead of somebody else.”
     
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  2. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    Saw this as well mate and thought why play two of the slowest CBs in the league. Don't buy into this training ground thing either, we've had loads of ****e players who play regularly because they train well. How about playing players who actually play well? Just a thought mind.
    What you going for today dan win lose or draw?
     
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  3. DAPARKERSAFC

    DAPARKERSAFC Well-Known Member

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    Ok Bally if your reading this, if you really wanted the job you should have picked Celustka and Diakite. Larsson and Oshea should be nowhere near the first team everyone can see that.

    Despite those things we could still have gotten something out of that game if you'd had the nous or balls to be positive. With half an hour to go we were pressing Liverpool and forcing them into errors. Giaccherini was brimming with confidence and we needed to get the ball upto him in the final third. We couldn't though because Altidore was struggling against two sometimes three Liverpool players. Everyone in the ground could see that an extra striker would have made a huge positive difference and would have given us a bigger goal threat. Who knows, had we come back to 2-2 just who knows, you might just have landed the job in some peoples eyes.


    All I saw was jobs for the boys, lead by the poisonous John Oshea and a man in the dug out who simply did not have a clue what he was doing.
     
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  4. Gil T Azell

    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    Oshea, guaranteed to give his Man U team a penna or score an own goal. Should deffo not play today.
     
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  5. mackemwelder

    mackemwelder Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a big fan of JOS, but to suggest that he will be giving a penalty or an own goal to his old team mates is just ridiculous. He shouldn't play because he is too slow and pap.
     
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  6. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Another article where he's talked himself out of the job.


    He chooses freely to play Cuellar and JoS against Sturridge and Suarez? <laugh>


    Thank you Bally, don't ring us, we'll ring you. <laugh>
     
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  7. DAPARKERSAFC

    DAPARKERSAFC Well-Known Member

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    Don't think he meant deliberately, just that he's so ****e its almost inevitable.
     
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  8. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Bally knows in the back of his mind he isn't going to get the job, even if he isn't the worst option available but maybe had an opportunity to experiment with different players. That he chose not to to, in order to try and keep a steady ship for his 2 or 3 games in charge, is credit to him IMO. He isn't putting himself ahead of the club and to be fair, we played much better last week against a high flying Liverpool.

    It's the job of the new manager to change the players and shake up the pack, not the caretaker.
     
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  9. Gil T Azell

    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    Sos MW Parker explained it better.
     
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  10. dansafcman

    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    WIn mate.

    We bloody need it dont we
     
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  11. Brian Storm

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    Nah mate, it's a caretaker's job to recognise opposing threats and adjust accordingly to utilise these threats. Same as any other manager/head coach or caretaker manager/caretaker coach imo. Anybody can see our back two against Liverpool's front two was completely inadequate. Yes we played better against Liverpool, do you suggest this is down to tactics? Or team selection? Personally I think it was either down to players who refused to pull their weight on the pitch for Paolo, raising their game a bit for a pushover coach whom they want to get the job. Or players who feel more comfortable knowing they aren't going to get half the physio kit bag launched at them if they don't perform.

    Bally said he wanted the Job. This has been his chance to shine and he's completely blown it in his team selections and his public account of why he's selected them.

    Just my opinion ofcourse but the other two cb's were much more equipped to deal with that front two, Added to the fact they haven't been allowed to communicate in their native tongue under Paolo ment playing these two lads with a freedom to communicate with each other would have been the obvious way to go. However, if pleasing select group of players was my priority then I would have gone with Cuellar and JoS like Ball did, has and most probably will again.

    I don't think he's put the club first at all, I think he's put the problem players first because he'd rather be an understanding friend then the Boss.
     
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  12. DAPARKERSAFC

    DAPARKERSAFC Well-Known Member

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    Spot on,.he's pandered to the gob ****es knowing they'd run to the press singing his praises.
     
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  13. password invalid

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    utter rubbish , he should have took the bull by the horns ,this was his chance to show he has the courage to make changes he must have been the only man on this planet who could not foresee that those two in the middle were going to got ripped apart
     
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    I think this is important. When change is obviously needed he`s gone with more of the same.

    Not what was required imo.
     
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  15. Cest Advocaat

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    Utter rubbish eh?

    Would this be the same Cuellar who played 28 games and kept 8 clean sheets and JOS who played 34 games and kept 9 clean sheets; or the pairing that played together in games we didn't concede and won 13 points in, including those wins at the mags and at home to Everton? Games managed by this so called 'genius' in PDC you all seem to talk about.

    You see its easy and very lazy to just to single out 1 or 2 players and make them scapegoats but a little digging and you can see they are not the problem. We have a pretty **** midfield and don't score enough goals and that's our problem. Opposition teams have easily worked us out and cut through us like a knife through butter in the middle and exploit our lack of proper full backs constantly to get behind them and get telling crosses into the box. If we had the best 2 centre halves in the worked they couldn't keep many better clean sheet stats given the pressure we put them under every game.

    Hopefully with Catts back and Ki looking a very canny player, we will offer a better protection for the defence and if we actually start to play experienced and expert full backs in Dossena and Celustka (releasing Gardner and Colback to resume central midfield competition) we will stop conceding goals at an alarming rate but I for one do hope JOS is playing today, whoever partners him and if its Cuellar then so be it, so long as we have a strong central pairing to offer support. Larsson is not that person.

    And on Bally, if he had just gambled and played all the new lads and then we had got a real thumping under him, I'll guarantee everyone of you giving him stick now would be saying he was too inexperienced and picked the wrong team as well. Dammed if he did and dammed if he didn't. He has been handed a ****ty stick AGAIN after the utter shambles of PDC's reign and has tried to steady the nerves and balance the books by playing players he has had dealings with in the last 2 or 3 years in the likes of Cuellar; Catts and JOS. If he had a 2 year contract I reckon his team selections would be very different but in a 2 or 3 game remit its no wonder he has reverted to form.
     
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  16. password invalid

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    yes sess but to play them together , the stats dont lie , but these two will always be too slow as a pairing
     
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  17. mackemwelder

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    Don't be mate and I wasn't having a pop, just sounded a bit defeatist.

    It's obvious that JOS and Carlos are 2 very similar players, both very, very slow. I would like to see Jos with Diakite and then Celustka as RB and JC as LB. As slow as he is JOS seems to work well with a pacier CB with him but please, please not Carlos again.
     
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    lets move on to my favorite waste of big money...johnson
     
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  19. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    No mate it isn't the same two players. The vast majority of our clean sheets last season came before January. Fact. They had no pace and struggled against pacey forwards last season anyway. They're both 32 now, their pace and agility started to decrease years ago, at this stage in their career it's in free fall. Why do you think Paolo had rose dropping back instead of attacking against pacy forwards last season? Cause they had no pace. They can't play together any more. Everyone can see it. They'd be much more suited to playing with a centre half with pace. Footballing basic here cest. There's no scapegoating here, just a forum full of lads who know footballing basics.
     
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    perfectly put mate ,the eyes do not lie , it reminded me of a veterans charity game with those two lumbering about
     
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