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Not606 2013 Korean Grand Prix Race thread

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by El_Bando, Oct 1, 2013.

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Whos the gangnam star?

Poll closed Oct 5, 2013.
  1. Vettel

    57.1%
  2. Alonso

    10.7%
  3. Raikkonen

    3.6%
  4. Hamilton

    21.4%
  5. Webber

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Rosberg

    7.1%
  7. Massa

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Button

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Grosjean

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    if it is indeed engine mapping do you think Red Bull would try it again so soon?
     
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  2. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    It does make me smile how (if true) that Red bull have borderlined the legality of the 3 No-No's of Traction Control, Engine Mapping and Blown Exhausts all in one.
     
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  3. leucadendron54

    leucadendron54 New Member

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    is it worth one of the top team to ask for this to be investigated? not to put pressure on a rival team but to actually see if their car is legal? the only problem is IF Redbull do have an illegal car they can just take the parts of or change settings with the engine to hide there illegalities. i think Formula 1 should be more like other sports in how the FIA carries out it surprise scrutineer tests. lOther sports just spring Urine test on athletes and they generally are found to be guilty

    Just a thought.....i mean 2.5 seconds a lap quicker is a tad on the silly side and would explain why the team are always trying to slow him down in races.....they dont want to show their true hand.
     
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  4. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    I imagine Red Bull are up to something very fishy but in the letter of the law totally legal. It's annoying as they're been the ones to beat for years now but from a engineering side of things I can't help but admire their constant ability to find grey area's to make up big time, I like innovation :)
     
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  5. thistle21

    thistle21 New Member

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    Yes I got Alonso twice:)
     
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  6. tomcat606

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    FIA has answered: Everything was absolutely legal in Singapore.

    from http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/form...en-red-bull-und-sebastian-vettel-zurueck.html
    or http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2013/10/vettel-auf-dem-weg-zur-legende-13100215.html
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    FIA weist Betrugsvorwürfe gegen Red Bull entschieden zurück

    Der Automobil-Weltverband (FIA) jedenfalls weist die Vorwürfe gegen Red Bull zurück. So habe Jo Bauer, der Technische Delegierte der FIA, bei einer Kontrolle von Vettels Boliden "keinerlei Unregelmäßigkeiten festgestellt" wie FIA-Rennleiter Charlie Whiting gegenüber 'Sport Bild' betont: "Es wird alles von uns kontrolliert und alles an Vettels Auto und auch an den anderen Wagen war reglementskonform."
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  7. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean? Just flagging cars down mid race? There's no point checking them back at the factory because it wouldn't be illegal, they could have a V10 in the back and wouldn't be breaking the rules. They're scrutineered extensively at every grand prix. They go over every car on a Thursday and have scrutineers in every garage logging every change the teams make. All the cars are legal.
     
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  8. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    Every so often they screw people over in quali with random checks. They may have stopped it now but I remember recently drivers having a poor lap, coming in to refuel and being stopped at the weigh bridge stopping them getting another lap :s
     
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  9. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    Yes! Two of my three are non-Vettels: There was Rosberg in China; Vettel in Bahrain; Lewis in Hungary <diva>

    Not had much luck lately though but I think tomcat's 'vote Vettel every race' routine speaks volumes: now there's a true fan who reaps his rewards ;)
     
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  10. Di Resta is faster than u

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    What?? Is tomcat copying my routine.......

    or do great minds think alike

    or has F1 just gotten too predictable
     
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  11. Di Resta is faster than u

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    In fact I won't be home for the next week so...


    CAN I VOTE VETTEL TO WIN JAPAN RIGHT NOW PLEASE?
     
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  12. leucadendron54

    leucadendron54 New Member

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    If they were scrutineered so much why do people keep finding things that might be on the wrong side of rules. My dad says it every race
    1. I would give my right arm for have a go in one of those cars
    And
    2. They should just give them all the same bloody car and separate the men from the boys.

    Seen the clip and vettels car makes some bloody odd sounds
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I'm going with falling asleep before the end of the race.
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I had Alonso at China, was going to go Vettel every race, and he's been my default choice every season we've had the prediction league
     
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  15. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Will try and remember
     
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  16. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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  17. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Adrian Newey 4x WDC
     
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  18. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Vettel: 14

    Alonso: 3

    Noticing a pattern here. <laugh>
     
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  19. BrightLampShade

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    New pit exit is weird, it really does go beyond the T1 run off and then rejoin at T2,

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  20. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Vettel extends contract with Red Bull, what makes you think the grid will shake up? Red Bull don't just work around rules, they make new systems that haven't been put in the rules yet.

    Anyway this 4-cylinder cut out system was bought up last year wayyyyyy before Minardi spotted it and it was discussed (Brundle, f1technical, scarbs etc...) and understood in novice terms that it was possible to induce a "traction control system" but not actually be called TC, because it isn't traction control it's something different.

    Just amazed there was an echo in the room because we are discussing the same subject.... again! This has been around with RB for almost over year now?
     
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