You can't possibly know if Luiz was injured or not, completely subjective. Drogba was a disgrace but he didn't deliberately get a Napoli player sent off. Dean should have either cautioned both players or spoken to both the captains.
please log in to view this image Subjective? Don't be ridiculous. It's an obvious red. They made mistakes. They also made mistakes by not sending Torres off earlier in the game. What's the difference? Literally no contact? There clearly is contact in the air, just not to Vertonghen's head. It's a foul. They then clash heads on the floor, which is why they both hold them. Even if you choose to ignore the face scratching or the incident which finally saw Torres dismissed, he should've still gone earlier than he did. He gave the ref sarcastic applause and got away with it. Had he been seen, he'd have gone in the book. The deliberate trip would've been his second yellow. Ivanovic also got away with suggesting that the linesman was blind, plus his actual booking and his pullback on Paulinho, who had an open goal. Despite Dean clearly being intimidated by your players' awful attitude and constant harassment, you're still not happy. Ludicrous.
Take those ****in things off and watch it again! Are you seriously suggesting JV's hand brushing the side of his face warrants Torres clutching the back of his neck/head like he's been twatted with a bat! you must be a bigger fairy than Torres, give over mate, your laughable!
After seeing the highlights again after watching the match, taking away any bias, neither player can act innocent in all of this as initially the trip by Torres on Verts, doesn't look like any contact was made, but if there was when someone clips your heels like that then it usually causes the player to go down in a fairly clumsy way, and if i'm honest it looked like Verts dived. BUT that doesn't mean Torres should have scratched Verts face, that was a clear sending off. The later incident, where Torres was sent off, was literally nothing at all, both players jumping for the ball, no elbows, no intent to cause any hurt and the ref instigated Torres has used his Elbow and was why he sent him off, that was the wrong decision. Torres was clearly wound up and fired up from the start and him and Verts where at it all afternoon, both winding each other up and both doing all they could to gain an advantage but the scratch from Torres was way out of order and the type of reaction i would expect from Suarez, which says everything about his behaviour and attitude during the match.
So by going down clutching his face pretending he'd been hit, you don't think he was trying to get the other player in trouble? Why else would he do it? Dean cautioned Torres and spoke to both players and when Torres fouled Vertonghen again he spoke to both and the captains may have been involved too. I certainly remember him speaking to Ivanovic and Terry at one stage when Ivanovic was mouthing off too.
Media highlighted it to overshadow Clattenburg's bias towards United throughout the match. They didn't highlight this incident in a different Chelsea v United match... please log in to view this image Drogba received a yellow card for that by the way Dean intimidated by our players? Our constantly being fouled throughout the match with no fouls or cautions given. Freund and your other officials were jumping off the bench and berating the fourth official at any given opportunity, we were never going to finish that game with 11 men on the pitch. Never in a million years was the Vertonghen/Torres aerial duel a foul or yellow card. It was a 50/50 ball which both players had every right to go for. It's a contact sport.
Clattenburg had another poor match, getting things wrong for both sides and ultimately his linesman gave Utd the points with a dubious offside call. Torres still deserved to get sent off, though. The "dive" was a poor decision, but a very understandable one from the ref's perspective. There was a good clip of his view and it really did look like there was no contact, unfortunately. Clearly. Mourinho sent them out to constantly berate the officials, starting right from the first decision. Ivanovic was indicating that the linesman was blind and gesturing at him repeatedly after 2 minutes and Ramires had already had a go at him by this point. It was constant. Straight from Ferguson's playbook. Laughably biased interpretation of what happened. You didn't finish the game with 11 players because you didn't deserve to. You should've lost at least one far, far earlier than you did. Torres and Ivanovic both committed red card offences and multiple others.
Not sure where the Ivanovic red card offence was. We all agree Torres should have seen red but we don't agree on the offence which he should have been off for. Our players surrounded the officials when 50/50 decisions consistently went against them, that's always been the norm no matter who is manager and more or less for any club. It doesn't change the fact that Freund and co were constantly jumping up and berating officials as has been the norm for them. Both Torres and Vertonghen should have been off, although Vertonghen shouldn't have even been playing in the first place. Dean didn't have a clue as to whether Torres led with is elbow, he simply guessed and favoured the home side which is generally the norm for most refs in the UK.
According to the BBC match report both teams made/were given 14 fouls and Spurs got 5 yellow cards. Not saying they weren't warranted, there was some fairly twattish behaviour from both teams on Saturday, but the sentence I highlighted seems pretty far wide of the mark to me.
I'd say you've summed it up perfectly. Twattish behaviour from both teams, I reject PNP's insinuation that Chelsea are the antagonists in this affair. It was a derby, both sets of players knew how important the game was to their managers and more importantly, the fans. I've said all along I don't have a problem with Vertonghen's actions (unlike some other Chelsea fans), I have a problem with Mike Dean and the way he officiated the fixture and the way he has done in the past.
Pulled back Paulinho in the box when he had an open goal. So you agree that Dean allowed you to play a big chunk of the game with at least one more player than you should have? Good. Your players started having a go at officials over absolutely cut and dry decisions in the first minute and continued to do so for the whole game. Trying to compare that with an assistant manager getting pissed off with the 4th official is unbelievably weak. Vertonghen should've been sent off against Villa. Claiming that he should've been dismissed for against you is just bizarre. Dean didn't indicate an elbow. He seemed to send him off for recklessness and persistently poor behaviour. Harsh, definitely, but he shouldn't have been there to send off. Claiming that you're hard done by because a player was dismissed much later in the game than he should've been is ridiculous.
Just in case anyone hasn't heard, the FA have done their usual and made an awful decision, with regards to taking action against Torres. They've claimed that they can't do anything to him, as one of the officials saw it at the time, though misunderstood the full intent. Clearly either bias towards Chelsea or a lack of any kind of knowledge of the rules must apply to this official then, as hands to face = red card. How many's that now?
One game. He'll miss their trip to Carrow Road this weekend. He won't miss the games against Cardiff or City in the league or their League Cup game against the Goons. Shame!
please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image [video=youtube;JWEg4k66s_Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWEg4k66s_Y[/video] Clear bias towards Chelsea
You implied a bias towards Chelsea. Torres should have been banned, but to should all of the above players. The rules are the problem. You can't just have rules to suit the outraged and make it up as you go along. There needs to be massive reform at FA Board level otherwise it's a free-for-all.
