Christ I know all you BS have United as your 2nd team, but this ****e is beyond belief!! According to you, it's ALL about the money & nothing else. So why haven't City & Chelsea dominated for the last decade? "This is merely a blip under Moyes" FFS - do you really think he's that good? As much as you'd like for the Status Quo to be maintained, I and a host of others are detecting a complete sea change in the Premier League this season. It's long overdue
Teams like Southampton, Villa and Swansea are no mugs, West Brom, Norwich, Stoke, Newcastle will blow hot and cold, but when hot, they'll take points off anyone, Then you have the Top 6/7 that will take points off each other as well as lose to the teams I've already mentioned. You could find that this season a team could lose 4 to 5 games, draw a handful and still win the league.. So Utd aren't out of it, but they soon will be if they don't get back to winnings ways. I agree, about time there were more than 2 maybe 3 teams capable of winning the league! Early days but long may the unpredictability continue (as long as it doesn't effect us of course )
well you are right i suppose. There are many points in your response that I would agree with and then again would have said last year only to see utd win a title with all other sides showing zero form at all. you never know. I think moyes has over trained rvp however to "get him really fit" and so has blown that one. Its all a matter of opinion so i guess i should just set out the players i think could take utd back to the top in 2/3 years post moyes ? 1. De gea... ok he was awful but last 6 months of last year he improved steadily and i think he's showing signs 2. Rooney, obviously. "YFB YFB you ate all the pies" never performs at anfield but everywhere else he actually tries he is a top player. he does blow hot and cold you are right but chelsea wanted him for one reason, when he's hot he's the best british player in the league by a mile. 3. RVP, so he's 30. he's a now player who will deliver for the next couple of years at least.... 4. kagawa. its an absolute crime the way they use this guy. He's better than they have allowed him to be and could be the creative touch they miss. 5. valencia. he is the best RW in the league at just plain running the line and crossing it. They need to back the guy not keep dropping him. 6. Welbeck. yeah hes average but he's useful. 7. Cleverely, smalling, jones and rafael. ys its a group of players but they are all quite decent really. 8. Vidic, get him fit and utd transform. In short it's my stated opinion that the longer utd leave moye in charge (as in years) that the more donkeys who are tall he'll buy and then long it is for what you have also said to come true.. namely others drop out. If utd have a mare and he gets the sack next summer I quite fancy that utd can still have the likes of vidic, evra, carrack and others there to allow for the necessary rebuilidng. That said... its an opinion based on moyes... I would agree with you that they should have appointed a big name this summer (mourinho) and spent big to rebuild their team. I will contend that if utd finish 10th they WILL attract top players as they will pay them 150k per week not like us at 50k per week and further there is a utd way as I clearly remember ron atkinson and ferguson shoveling players at the issue i nthe 80s. they bought and bought just like us so I fully expect that if success drifts away they will do the same under a new man.
City have gone from middle table ****e to winning the league within 4 years of winning the Arab lotto & are now firmly aboard the CL gravy train & will be league challengers for the foreseeable future. Chelsea have the man who delivered 2 league titles in his last stint back at the helm & in case you've been living in a cave, have been been hugely successful during the last decade ffs. I didn't say it was a blip in Moyes tenure, merely that it's a blip - because ultimately that's all it will be, as success & money are largely proportionate in the EPL & United are by far the biggest club in terms of turnover & will invest heavily if they have to close a gap to those at the top. Whether Moyes is still at the helm is an irrelevance. I'm not hoping for any status quo to continue as I'd love to see them die on their arse. However, I'm a realist & unless they have a decade of unsurpassed failure, then this does not constitute a 'sea change' in the football World, as much as your RAWK'esque view on anything kopite might dream it to be......
Quickly forgotten how much you lot took the piss out of us for that and now we are doing the same and you come up with that. I say just accept a bit of banter and if you don't like it being on our board then, well, back to matth !
must say this is quite the little string of numbers and utterly meaningless so i retract my earleir praise of the playing staff of utd... call you all gash and hope agent moyes does for you totally.
Come on Tobes. The statement "simply too big in terms of their financial turnover, to fail in the medium / long term. " is wrong and you know it! If it were true then you could not explain the demise of the following: General Motors, IBM, Nokia, Pan Am, Bethlehem Steel, etc. etc. The UK examples are just too obvious.
I think it was a master stroke from fergie going for Moyes. Who else would be a complete contrast to himself and remind the club what they've lost [in him]. Had they gone for a big name, instant success - like maybe two trophies in his first year - would have meant that anybody could be a success there and not make fergie stand out as special. One poor year will show how much they miss him and won't harm the club as they can re-build when Moyes goes and a big name comes in and carries on where fergie left off. I also think that going to OT with Moyes in charge wouldn't fill any team with fear regardless of what the results have been so far. Everyone has to fancy their chances against the new man.
Tbf to Tobes, he's only said what I did earlier in the thread and I'm no ****ing Mongchester lover. Structurally United are huge, even with Glaziers' debts, and based upon their turnover they WILL be the main beneficieres of the FFP, along with Munich. We COULD, be up there one day, with our huge worldwide following, especially if individual TV rights happens one day (even if only for CL football). But that is WAY off in the future. In summary, no-one is too big to fail, per se, but United are too big to go into the doldrums for as long as we did for the same reasons we were too big to go under financially like Leeds and Rangers. POSSIBLY we're seeing an end to their total dominance of the last two decades - nonetheless, I still expect that for the long term we'll be looking at the team that finishes above United as being the team that wins the league. Our aim should be to be that team: to win it (or at least challenge for it) when United don't. Then our finances will start approaching theirs.
Moyes eventually got Everton top 6... I've no doubt with major investment he can get utd in top 4 again. I remember when people were saying city couldn't buy the title... I said they would eventually... you can only screw up limitless money so often. Hughes was a doofus that couldn't win... but they bought someone who could. Money always wins eventually. Same will happen with midtable United... they've got too much revenue and fan base to stay down permenantly... ... unless their owners do a Leeds and spend more than the considerable amount they have coming in. Even wo cl they will make more money than us.
So the FACT that Ferguson personally RECOMMENDED this man to be his successor, wouldn't reflect badly on him should he die on his arse then? That's a fanciful suggestion & way wide of the mark imo. Ferguson anointed Moyes as he saw a bit of himself in him, a dour Jock, who's a disciplinarian & very hard working.
