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Directors of football..who's to blame??

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by calmcumbrian, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. calmcumbrian

    calmcumbrian Well-Known Member

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    Not wanting to be too controversial,but what is going on with the DOF/Club Manager roles,and who is in charge??At NUFC,their Director of football is taking all the flak and blame for their lack of signings.At my club,our manager has been sacked because we are bottom of the league having signed 14 players in the transfer-window!!PDC,the first-team coach did not sign these players..the DOF signed them!Who said we needed all these new signings??The team that we played today was mainly our existing squad,and they played well.PDC was sacked,but was our DOF not to blame??
     
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  2. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    I don't like these DOF's & I fear the worst for our club over it.
     
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  3. froggy1973

    froggy1973 Well-Known Member

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    Gotta agree Billy to me it just confuses things and muddy the waters.
     
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  4. MackemsRule

    MackemsRule Well-Known Member

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    I'm on record as no fan of DOF.
    Unless he is going out to get the managers picks, leaving the manager free to manage the team.

    DOF can work at the big clubs as they are buying top class players that should be capable of fitting into any team.
    Like at Real and Barca.
    Even then it doesn't always work out, like Kaka going to Madrid, they tried all ways to fit him into the team and failed for the most part.
     
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  5. SAFC_Derry

    SAFC_Derry Member

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    But what do you do when it has failed year after year. Successive managers who have spent large amounts of money on both British and players with premiership experience has proved to be a failure with no improvement. We needed to change how we operated.
     
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  6. concrete tony

    concrete tony Well-Known Member

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    I think the senior players picked the team yesterday.

    Cestluka - did nothing to deserve to be dropped

    Diakate was looking good, how cuellar got into the first team to get absolutely done for the second goal.

    Once again, Larrson is selected and **** knows what is going on with Cabral.

    Apologise for the spelling of foreign names.
     
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  7. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    Celuska (as above for the spelling) spoke out in sort of defence of PDCs methods saying he was happy with the chance he got to play, lo and behold though as one of the lads noted he would be dropped for the game on Sunday and the dressing room will now be split on two, just what we need with a relegation fight on our hands.
    DOFs work with a very good team to start with however, with a team like us it was always going to be a struggle.
     
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  8. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I think this DOF role is a load of bollocks for clubs of Newcastle or Sunderlands stature. This is fine at Bayern, Barca where you're supplementing a fantastic proven youth system, or at Man City, Chelsea, Real where you are simply cherry picking the best players on a limitless budget. However lower down the levels, its just a pointless division of responsibility. What's wrong with a manager telling his trusted scout what he needs, the scout and his team finding players and the manager then taking the time to go and see if it was what he was after? Surely the whole point of the scout network is to sift through the various players watched and then present a manager with two or three realistic options? The manager is the one who carries the can so he should know what he wants in a team. Again at the top clubs the quality of player coming through the door is such that a DOF is a valid role as the manager is going to be getting the best regardless.

    What i will say in Shorts defence is that if he felt a mass overhaul was needed, maybe he felt slightly uneasy entrusting a fairly novice manager to carry out the task all alone.
     
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  9. Red and White Mac

    Red and White Mac Active Member

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    i think a dof is good idea for a club like us. we go through managers like nowbodys business, everytime a new guy comes in we have to star a new 3 or 5 year plan which is just bollocks. look at the carnage keane caused with signing ****. at least now we have a consistant recruitment policy regardless of who is in the hot seat. plus it seems like its more of a commity deciding on players rather than one guy. i think this could work for us and to be honest it couldnt be worse then some of our past efforts. we have a top notch head scout and a dof with a hat full of contacts. it could be worse, we could be stuck with joe ****ing kinnear
     
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  10. grandpops

    grandpops Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly the way I see it.

    The manager wants a player type, the scouts find say 2 or 3 who fit the bill, the manager chooses and the DoF gets him.

    That, to me, is the way it should be. For the DoF to bring in a dozen players (or in Jokes case, none) is plain daft. It seems in our case as if the DoF has brought in the squad for the manager to chose from.

    That can`t be right.
     
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  11. Red and White Mac

    Red and White Mac Active Member

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    im sure the manager had some input into the signings and it wasnt the dof who just went out and got them without pdc knowledge. we really need to know what each guys remit is and what they are responcible for. i think the dof could work for us but only if there is co-operation beetween each guy. they should all be working towards one goal
     
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  12. grandpops

    grandpops Well-Known Member

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    From what I remember, the ones PDC actually named were the ones he didn`t get?

    I doubt PDC would know these players, that, is trusting someone elses judgment.
     
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