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Di Canio leaves Sunderland..

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Magic Ted, Sep 22, 2013.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    thanks sounds like he must have got a big pay off then....

    I also agree that unless di matteo is appointed and unless rodgers can secure some deal with him on borini playing we should indeed pull him out of there.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well he was caught rotten in italy doing nazi salutes and if you look at fiorentina designing little swastikas into their kit a while back "by accident" and certain other things that go on over there unfortunately it has a lot to do with football still..

    di canio at the time claim he was only doing a "roman salute" pax romano and all that... utter nonsense.
     
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  3. StJohn_Red_Legend

    StJohn_Red_Legend Active Member

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    IMO, this is typical kneejerk reaction from a chairman looking to placate fans, and a crap chairman at that...

    You appoint the manager and you have to stick by him for at least 12 months while he gets his playing staff in and sorts out how he wants them to play, gets ideas over and all such things. To kick out your manager after just 13 games in charge is total panic stations stuff after 5 games of the league season.

    Frankly, I think he might have been out of his depth but I'm sure he'd have done enough to turn things around by March - players coming in have been good, some with points tp prove in a WC year - like Altidore, and the money coming in from sales like Migs has helped the manager shape the side. The next man in isn't going to have an open cheque book, so whoever it is will have to be the sort to do a 'patch job' until next summer...

    In this respect, I think Di Matteo will be a disaster...
     
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  4. Dangerously Delicious

    Dangerously Delicious Active Member

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    How about everything. Extreme, discriminatory beliefs have no place anywhere in the world and definitely not in sport, as Milan found out in Italy (again) last week. Why do you need me to define fascist (note no use of inverted commas as fascism is actually a real thing that didn't suddenly stop when the Nazis lost)? It's common knowledge.
     
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  5. StJohn_Red_Legend

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    Anyone can be caught being an idiot but he is right, the roman salute of the Italian Fascist state predated the Nazi Hitlergraus, in that respect we have probably (given we as a nation have an obsession with the Geermanz, as our Stan would call em) got the wrong one. I don't see what Fiorentina has to do with Paolo at all - he's never even played for them and besides, having looked at the design, being a geometric design it has both left and right-handed versions of the symbol and has different meanings to different people the world over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

    A fascist is different to a National Socialist...
     
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  6. Tobes

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    13 games ffs.

    Allowing him to sign 14 players in the summer & then giving him 5 league games to get them to gel?

    I know he's a bell end & I know that the players have reportedly been the catalyst for this, but Short should have told them to shut the **** up & get on with it & he should have backed Di Canio for at least another couple of months.
     
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  7. StJohn_Red_Legend

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    Fascism and National Socialism are quite different things...

    Fascism is typically nationalist in outlook and has different beliefs and tenets to Nazism. Fascism has little view on judaism, for example. The Russian Soviet Communists and Stalinists had a far worse record on human rights abuses yet escape the opprobium heaped on Fascism in general. Indeed, the Catholic Church have behaved appallingly towards Judaism as late as the last century, yet they don't receive such vilification.

    Any 'group' of loose affiliation can persecute any other group. There are far more good candidates for discriminatory behaviour than Italian fascists historically. I find them pitiable, rather than vile. History teaches us a lot. But if you want to be fed your Twitter-length history McDonalds style by the likes of The S*n journos, be my guest.
     
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  8. Brian Storm

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    Paolo's man management is getting all the flack, thats the general consensus. But a large chunk of the squad have failed to give a **** for 3 managers now. If you ask me there's poison in the dressing room. I'd love to know who they are. Rumors are David Vaughn led a revolt made up off the more long serving players. He's getting 20k a week more than he's worth. We've got quite a few players on big contracts who can't cut the mustard. If it's any of them involved in this bust up i'll be livid.
     
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  9. StJohn_Red_Legend

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    It isn't often that we agree, but here we are in total agreement. Spineless from the Chairman...
     
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  10. It is crazy, five games is nothing, even Everton are unbeaten after that many games <whistle>

    Reports are suggesting there was a situation between players and manager. One of those is much easier to remove than the other <ok>
     
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  11. Tobes

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    Giving in to player power & dumping your 3rd manager in 3 years, sets an awful precedent in that dressing room.

    Sunderland have lost their way since Quinn was moved on.
     
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  12. Works for Chelsea <whistle>
     
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  13. JonnyBaws

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    Have we lost yet?
     
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  14. Tobes

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    It didn't really did it.....

    But in any case, unlike Chelsea, Sunderland don't have a dressing room full of top notch players, for Lampard, Terry, Cole & Drogba, see O'****e, Wes Brown, Vaughan & Borini ffs <laugh>
     
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  15. Depends how you view it. Most clubs would love their trophy haul but some will point at club harmony, loyalty and consistency etc. I wouldn't like my club to take that path, I didn't like the swapping and changing since Rafa left.

    Borini's quality and would fit in with the Chelsea player list <whistle>
     
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  16. Tobes

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    I'm not being funny, but anyone could have sent out that Chelsea team at it's peak & got results with it.

    It's a totally different scenario to Sunderland where the players are playing like drains & then moaning it's because they don't like the manager......I hope they replace him with Pulis - that'll learn 'em <laugh>
     
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  17. Eli Nich

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    There is some word exchange - I saw it on BBC, and it was they sack Di Canio
     
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  18. I don't disagree with you, Sunderland have made a bad call IMO and only time will tell whether it proves to be the right one or not. Sets a bad example for the players though.

    I agree about the 'anyone could have managed Chelsea' point. I've actually said similar a few times when discussing how good Guardiola is as a manager. Sure, he broke a few records but he pretty much sent the same eleven out week-in-week-out, anyone could have managed them. I really wanted to see him go to a club that would be a bit more of a challenge, Bayern are by far and away the best team in Germany so he'll continue to win trophies regardless of his talents.
     
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  19. Enricky.

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    Teach <whistle>
     
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  20. Tobes

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    The mistake Sunderland made was hiring him in the first place - everyone knew that he's a basket case & it was always going to end in tears. The only shock is that they've acted so early, after have allowed him to spend over £21m in the summer.

    I disagree about Pep btw, as Pep took Rijkaard's side & added the element of chasing down the ball & high intensity pressing, to their passing style. He transformed that side from a very good one, into a truly great one - yes he had the massive advantage of the fabulous playing staff - but he moulded them into the best club side there's ever been imo.
     
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