I fail to see how this chant is witty. I know someone who has been abused in childhood and witty is not a term any decent person would associate with child abuse.
Also remember "All I want is a bottle and brick, hand grenade and a walking stick, a L&@?n fan to punch and kick, Oh wouldn't it be loverley." Quite a witty, catchy ditty,
I went to the University of Glamorgan in Pontypridd from 91 to 96, and there was a big story on the front of the Pontypridd & Llantrisant Observer when I was in my final year about locals feeling that students were forcing young families out. Less than a week later, a student was stabbed by a local in his late teens/ early 20s as he was going home one evening because the stabber heard the student speak and he had an English accent, so the media can be as culpable as anyone else. Also, the Welsh I know don't really give a **** about the comments about them and sheep, they just find it not worth getting angry about as it's so old.
Re: witty, amusing chants, back when Man City were languishing in the lower leagues, and playing Sheff Utd: Sheff U supporters: 'we hate Wednesday and we hate Wednesday.. etc' Man City: 'We hate Saturday and we hate Saturday..." Well I liked it.
You just chose to read the bit that suited you and ignored the second paragraph? It wasn't aimed at your mate NOR the victim of the person in question. Think about the chant for a minute and explain which part of is not a warning, or belittling the victims of this abhorrent crime.
It is excellent. Like Arsenal fans singing to Wimbledon fans "going down going down" and wimbledon fans responded "so are we"
None of it but I think the point is that using child abuse for point scoring purposes in a football stadium is not a great thing to do regardles of who it is aimed at.
Is threatening to shoot a group of people with a parent's firearm acceptable, especially in the wake of numerous killing sprees by crazed indivuduals?
Then we're well stuffed when it comes to football chants aimed at the opposition fans. I guess "you should have come in a taxi" is racist if the fans emanate from an ethnically diverse area where a large percentage of the public transport system employs Asians. Or "does your boyfriend know you're here?" homophobic whenever Brighton visit. "Dirty Northern B******s" - lets not even go there....
Don't be so disingenuous. You know and I know that there is a huge difference between singing songs about child abuse and singing songs about people driving taxis, people having boyfriends etc etc. or being northerners. You're now just trying to defend the indefensible with ridiculous comaprisons.
I don't wanna waste my and your time arguing because end of the day you're a fellow Watford fan so that overrides (for me at least) any difference of opinion about what is or isn't 'acceptable' to chant at a football match. My point was missed; where do we draw the line on what you can sing? Child abuse, racism, homophobia, sexism, religious intolerance - all of them are unacceptable and wrong. But we're not discussing norms of society, the subject is chants aimed at other fans.
Agreed - in any case nobody would ever agree what is and isn't acceptable. The great Jock Stein once said that Celtic fans should have enough songs to sing about their club without resorting to politics and religion. One could equally argue that we, and every other set of fans, should have enough songs about our own clubs without having to resort to hurling abuse at the opposition. I used to happily indulge in songs in the 80s which quite frankly sicken me now. With more and more children attending matches these days i think it's about time all fans focussed on the positive aspects of supporting a club rather than the negative (I know for a fact there's a lot of posters on here who do just that anyway) but then I am rapidly turning into an idealistic old fool
It pains me to say this, but fair play to the Ipswich fans at Old Trafford a few years ago, Man Ure had just gone 9 - 0 up and all the Ipswich supporters started chanting, "we want one, we want one!"
Interesting question. An Imam wrote to the daily Mail of all papers this week saying that burkas and niqabs were actually un Islamic and used either by men to subjugate women or by women to stick 2 fingers up at the west. He says you wonlt find one reference to it in the Qu'raan (apologies to our Muslim friends if that's incorrectly spelled). Now i donlt know how true that us but interesting to hear a cleric say it. And in answer to your question dave - even if it is worng i must confess that i smiled.
