It always amuses me when on Look North they have an item from Stamford in Lincs. I think Calendar are just as bad with their South of the river stuff although I rarely watch it and they may have updated it a bit.
Calendar is and always has been utter ****e.. we continue to figure poorly against our wessie Leeds and Sheffield 'neighbours'. Look North from Hull, whilst not perfect covering Lincs down to the Wash,is excellent by comparison.
That is one of the main reasons, but as you suggest, it is not the whole reason. Editorially, I'd agree it doesn't make sense to folks living in Hull - nor does it to Lincoln for that matter - who think that Look North is Hull biased. However, when both the TV and Radio stations in Lincoln and in the south of Lincolnshire 'faced' west towards Nottingham, they got a worse deal and indeed Grimsby/Scunthorpe never got a mention at all. Seriously, there's no BBC conspiracy, (I've worked for them, broadcasting is also part of my academic and professional field). However, it was, once upon a time a political issue when 'Humberside' as a region was set up. Everything south of Scunthorpe was regionally speaking Lincoln/Nottingham/East Midlands. Over the BBC's history, the regionalism and localism policy has actually seen an increase and development in numbers of stations as opposed to opt outs. If you listened to radio in Hull during the 30s up until 1971, there was one region 'The North' and much of it was Manchester biased then later from the 1950/60s Leeds/Sheffield biased. As regional TV and local radio was rolled out in the late 60s and early 70s, any decision to create a new 'editorial region' was always based on editorial (inc cultural), financial and technical matters as the best way to serve the audiences under the terms of the Royal Charter. Thus we moved from Northern/Manchester to a Yorkshire/Leeds region (with only a 6 minute opt out) until the East Yorks & Lincs region was set up in 2002 as the newest BBC editorial region for 34 years. By the way, I'm not defending it, I'm just explaining it. I've always wondered, given that Nottingham, Derby and Leicester are so close to one another, why they have city named radio stations and yet Hull doesn't. Basically, the reason is, is that they are not serving other significantly sized populations other than their own city and some villages beyond the city border. However, they all come under the East Midlands editorial region - with Nottingham at the centre. Similarly, Leeds, Bradford, York and Sheffield, for local radio stations albeit with Leeds at the centre for TV. In radio terms, Hull is joined by Grimsby and Scunthorpe as significant other centres of population - and so it is Radio Humberside and not Radio Hull. East Yorks & Lincolnshire is seen as a geographical region for TV with Hull firmly at the centre. In the 1970s, there was talk of Radio Hull, Radio Grimsby and Radio Scunthorpe but it just wasn't viable and there wasn't the listening interest. Incidentally, you can compare us to 'Murkyside' as Liverpool takes in other significant population centres (St. Helen's, Widnes, Warrington) and that's why it is Radio Merseyside not Radio Liverpool and again with TV Look North West with Manchester at the centre. Before anyone says, but Radio Lincolnshire is a regionally named station so why doesn't it take Grimsby and Scunthorpe, radio wise it looks south to Stamford, Spalding, Boston etc and that's where the technical issue comes in (spread and sparse). From my time working there, I can tell you they really wanted Scunthorpe and Grimsby back (mainly for the sport), but when Lincs FM bought the digital multiplex and priced BBC RLincs out of it, (in other words they are not on DAB) they gave it up. Sorry this is long winded, but it might explain it!
Dunno. He had a pop at that John Tondeur (who’s always struck me as merely a long serving and nasally local radio commentator but some have had a wee **** about him on here previously) but surely that can’t be connected as you’d have thought he’d have been lauded for doing something like that. Is John Tondeur a midget by the way? Always imagined him being really small or wheel chair bound.
I know he was supposed to have given him some verbal GBH of the ear'ole but not sure on the old hand to hand. Think it was Bum Chinned Crab who was acting all homo about him on here previously so maybe he’ll give you a clearer picture? Tondeur just sounds really ****ing small to me. Really small, under 5ft deffo or wheel chair bound (poor sod).
You don't know the half of it Asbo. I was given the job of recording and producing some of his memoirs in the late 70s, a nice fellow but I was comatose by the end.
Back in the days of Peter Ward, the studio anchorman (Wessie RL man as I recall), with 'scoreflashes' every 15 mins or so which lasted about 30 seconds from some ludicrously biased local turd in Bristol or at Orient. People who rubbish David Burns & co have no idea how bad it was back then. We were off the Look North and local radio map basically.
You might be thinking of Dave Gibbons who was the sports editor back in those days he was an Arsenal fan but always seemed to have a soft spot for Grimsby. Just before he left, he lost it on air singing 'bag of spanners' to the tune of 'Hallelujah' when anyone spoke to him during a sports report. He was on gardening leave for some time after. there was also Stan Hall who commentated on Dull FC...not a nice fellow.
Yeah remember Gibbons. No one sympathetic to the Tigers at all, coupled with the rise of RL & GY in the late 70s, it was the worst of times.
Might be wrong but wasn’t Gibbons late 80s (after Hawthorne/Golley?)/90s (up to Tigers 2000/late Dolan era)? He was a Patridgesque (hackneyed I know) twat but I got the impression he supported City but glory hunted (The) Arsenal. He seemed to be pro GTFC and SU too. There’s some stupid **** commentary where he gets all high pitched about a Scunthorpe goal that sometimes gets played on those “isn’t football funny?” type progs.
May well be. I just remember Peter Ward. To be fair to him he wasn't biased- he appeared to have no interest whatsoever in any team or sport.
Bit before my time I think. So what was it exactly? Ward hosting a programme from 3pm-5pm (on the RH frequency- regional link up type) just updating scores/getting brief reports from all Yorks/Humberside clubs and other sports?
Leon, we are both correct. He was the sports editor during the 80s (what Burnsy did and subsequently what Mat Dean is now), but he started at RH in the 70s as a journalist and sports reporter. I can confirm that as I worked with him occasionally in late 79 through to 83 on Peter Adamson's Soapbox.
Cheers So was he (Gibbons) from Hull then? I remember him talking about City in the 70s so presumed he was but from what you've just written, I suppose it could have just been anecdotal from his job. I also recall Peter Adamson's Soapbox - good listen. Full of those 'at death's door' types ringing up moaning about 20p coins being too similar to 5p coins and the like. Thing is, at least them lot bullyrammed WW2 - unlike most of the war shy ****in old folk these days.
Yeah. Often used to be a late goal at City's away game and Wardy would say 'Now over to XXXXX and I think there's been a late goal'. Cue some local dimmock semi-delirious recounting that in the 88th minute the home team had scored the winner amidst a cacophony of raucous shouting. Back to the studio and Wardy made no comment like it didn't matter before moving on to the OSG.
It was locally focussed (Humber clubs) by the time I started listening. No commentaries (or hardly ever) just updates and they’d play a jingle as a prelude to annoucing a goal.
oh what a difference a week makes.. I was just looking over the forum and I came across this little beauty heh
