SOD Blames Us the Fans..

Don't really care if he blames the fans as some were there booing, which IMO affected Flint more so, he seemed to lose it big time. So maybe SoD was correct in what he said, but maybe could of worded it slightly better. But I'm ****e at explaining myself so who am I to pass criticism on him.
What I did object to was with 4 minutes injury he choose to waste time with substituting Bryan who was terrorising their defence with a defender. That to me showed he wanted a draw, I can live with that if they was forcing us, but we was on top at that point? If I was in the team I would of got the message that he was worried about the opposition. Which has always been SoD's problem to me, let's let the other team worry about us as I think up to that point they was.
I am 100% behind SoD and want him to have a long future at our club, but to me yesterday's tactics was wrong. Two holding midfielders where Elliott could of done the job and pushed the best passer in the club forward to release Baldock instead of long balls.
SoD mentioned that's Jay he will walk about but produce something like that goal. Now some people got the wrong impression when I mentioned JET. He is a fantastic player who would always be in my starting line up. But with the instruction that if the ball is in attack he attacks but if a player is in a better position pass the ball please. In defence he helps out, by offering a decent outlet. Not try those silly flick ons that was just not working. We are in a battle the kids need helping along so let's do it as a team not individuals.
I said at the beginning of this season that this will take time, some are correct we are on a losing streak but we only started with 2 players from last season and one very small part player in Bryan. But also SoD must realise when he says he's got to stop the clubs problem of losing for the past few seasons as they were not there then and these are his batch of players.

We will get there maybe not as quick as some will like but it will come through, and we can then move on altogether.

 

Can forums be used to do something positive? The answer is yes
Is Ernie about being positive and doing things? Yes.

Between now and next may could the mods on here take the above on board and use this forum to do just one thing?

 

I've a good idea, let's argue about the picture of Ernie even though it's been explained that it was chosen by some that has unfortunately passed away! So it was left as a sign of respect to him!

It might mean something to a lot of fans and I can understand this, but why argue or as you will say debate.

It was voted on a poll and the results showed that it was in favour of keeping it.

I like the mods, they do a great job. This is not a fund raising forum this is a forum where we come to escape reality and have a laugh amongst ourselves.

 

Being as I spent the night in a casualty dept in Reading rather than being at the match I can't comment on the atmosphere at AG last night what I can say though is what is reported on the OS where S O'D does not blame the fans what he said was the atmosphere was tense and the fans seemed to be almost expecting City to lose as soon as the first goal went in, now if it was like last season that would probably be true as I can remember many games when if City even missed a chance early on the negativity from the fans could have been cut with a cardboard box(you wouldn't need anything sharp like a knife it was that thick) perhaps it is because I have lived through the good and bad days at BS3 that I don't get as depressed about a bad run I remember GJ having a stinker of a run when he first came but he turned it around and I fully expect Sean to do the same thing but the end result of Sean's legacy at BS3 will be much better than the one left by GJ as our future will be so much better.

My first thoughts when I saw the number of changes being made to the squad and the ages of the players arriving was that we would struggle in the early part of the season but that we would come good from the end of September/early October the displays in preseason at first didn't look promising then We beat Reading and Drew with Bournemouth and I got a massive jolt of optimism as I thought I had been overly pesamistic about how long it would take the team to gel forgetting perhaps the other sides were not really trying. What I can not see is why people are going to Ashton Gate supposedly supporting City when they start booing almost as soon as the game kicks off which I did hear last year several times, and someone on here made the point that yelling at players who are trying is counter productive especially the younger players do they really think that Joe Bryan for example will play better if all he can hear from the fans is boos? Of our regular players only Elliott is at his supposed peak and Baldock has just reached the age when players are expected to be at their best Carey, Shorey are past that supposed peak and the rest of the squad have several years yet to reach that point for outfield players that is supposed to be 24/25-30 goalkeepers 28-33 at the moment the squad is a bit light and is still trying to find the best way to play together.

My final point is this for those who think that giving the players stick during a game somehow makes them play better try watching JET's post match interviews and compare how he has appeared in previous games when we have lost or won and he has scored and how he looked and answered last night from all accounts he scored a cracking goal yet again to get us a point but if you look and listen you would think we had lost by 5 or 6 goals he is not his usual self, remember he is still young and not expected to peak as a player for a couple of years despite the fact that he has a lot more experience than other players in our team.
Flint our hoped for savoir at the back was playing non league a couple of years ago Williams was a youth team player they are going to take matches to learn who goes for which ball instinctively not having to think about it and slow down their reaction times if they have to keep looking at each other to decide who goes for what, they will always be late, but knowing this automatically only comes when you play together for many matches.
Same as JET and Baldock up front sometimes they seem to be on the same wavelength other times its as though one is on TV the other on Radio they will get better as they learn each others game. I could go on but this current CITY team is evolving and is starting to play the sort of football we want to see played at the Gate all it needs now is the first win to give them total belief in what they are doing.

 

I think SoD has a point about the fans, but he also has to look at himself as he created a "tide of negativity" leading up to the game.

Anyway back to the fans. Booing is a selfish act - it may make the person doing it feel better in the short term, but it does not help the team - it instills fear (I think SoD touched on that) and reduces confidence. Remember footballers are human beings who will react to what the crowd says/does, especially when it's a very young team like ours.

Some bloke phoned up the radio last night and said it was his right to boo - he said there were 375 reasons why he could (the price of his season ticket). in some ways he has a point, but what about my rights?? I've paid for a season ticket and I DON'T WANT PEOPLE BOOING PLAYERS IN A BRISTOL CITY SHIRT.

The other point that SoD made was linked to keeping the ball - many people near me were shouting "get it forward" when our back 4 had the ball - eventually they were affected by this and started to lump it Sam - something that's never going to work.

So please let's all keep behind our team at the game - they need our support - we can affect them positively, so let's do that

 

For the first time in a very long time, I've supported a manager over the fans.

In my eyes, SOD is 100% in the right. He's built a team the right way, he's a proven coach, and he's expressed a desire for patience. He's also stated that the fans are making it harder, which they definitely are.

When I go to Ashton Gate, I'll be cheering, right up to the day that SOD gets sacked. Knowing this club, and its fans, I reckon he'll be gone by November, and he'll be booed constantly within two games. A smart club would stick with a manager throughout this mess, and would allow the manager the time he needs to get the job done. Bristol City is not a smart club.

The only people I want out is Lansdown and co. All this money, and we'll be worse off. Sell the club to someone who can balance the books and make us self-sufficient.

 

IMO if he goes we will be shooting ourselves in the bollocks. We need to get behind this transition otherwise we won't be going back a year, it will be longer as the new manager will want his own players his own back room staff. We may as well do what someone said around me last night "get emergency loan managers, every week until we get a win"

 

One of the mods openly insulted a poster. That is a great job?

The point/challenge is a good one. Forums do not have to be mouth and trousers.

 

WURZEL LOYAL - The only person Shiny has a strong opinion on is Marv who he is Pro Marv. It is utter rubbish to moan about the mods on here who allow fans to express their own opinions freely. I would say that the ones who are the mods probably are on here more than others and post a lot more but they give their opinions like you do. If you have a difference of opinion then most fans on here will welcome reading what you have to say and commenting on it.

For myself like most fans I am not happy about how things have gone and havent got a problem expressing that but I have still always said that SOD needs to be given time as he is here with a long term plan but I can understand that fans who pay good money are not happy that they havent seen a win in the league in 6 months.

People will always have opinions that "the unemployed are lazy and need to find a job, that footballers are overpaid idiots and dont give enough effort", thats life as we live in a culture where we think we can do better and we moan.

I have moaned on here in the last few weeks but that is on here where I get my frustration out. Never in my whole life have I ever booed a player who played for city or shouted something stupid even though there are times I have come close as it isnt proactive but you could argue at the same time if the manager and players expect to get the praise when they are doing something right then expect a grilling if you arent.

and lets face it even if we were winning every game, you would still find fans that would moan.

 

Insult? I called him a bore? If he and you find that insulting then I wouldn't recommended the internet to you.


Really cant believe this is coming about again.

 

Complete and utter bore with his head up his arse is?

In a pub thats a punch up or close.

Tell you are a young un. Wind it in a bit because you might bump into someone who takes your banter the wrong way.

 

Yes, You are right, Im sorry if I offended anyone. It wouldn't of come to that if the same boring comments kept coming up.

 

Why not use the forum to do something positive? Unless i am mistaken you have coated off one of the people who helped out with the ideas behind the topical robin.

 

Anyone on here can suggest things to do or matters to debate that are positive so have a go and fire away.

 

All we can do is post a thread mate. That is it. I've posted a positive thread but funnily enough all the ones who have slagged us off for not being positive haven't bothered commenting on it but instead continue to comment on this thread?

Very strange behaviour for people who are seeking positivity yet ignore the positive threads

 

Sorry, I was at the game, and I didn't see a single one of you so called happy clappers stand up singing and dancing and getting behind the team when we let in yet another silly careless goal! Every city supporters head went down! Put my energies into singing and chanting? I need a reason to do that, after 80 minutes it gets tedious putting in that kind of effort for the money I play when the players dont match it!

I never boo, but I certainly am not going to let the players think the crap they produce on the field warrants a round of applause! As do none of you! Otherwise you would have been bouncing round the ground when Shrewsbury scored, which none of you were! So get off your high horses! I got no probs with people booing, if it offends you, take it up with the people booing!

We keep hearing "minority of fans" if it is the minority, why dont you majority with the problem do something about it and shout down the boo boys! When I hear booing, I dont hear the majority drowning them out!

 

Rhino, I didn't go last night (due to getting home from work too late) but listening to the radio I only heard boos at half time and when we did actually manage to string a few passes together in the 2nd half and get up a bit of a head of steam resulting in multiple corners, you could clearly hear the fans getting behind the team. As the fans got louder, the pressure rose and we scored - no coincidence really.

I do have to agree about the substitution of Joe Bryan, taking off our most potent force and replacing him with a defender with 4 minutes to go when we were pressing for the winner was mind boggling..

Your comment about fans heads going down when Shrewsbury scored is correct BUT, the key thing is that this was due to the failings of the previous squad. When they went 1 down, you pretty much knew it was all over and usually, it was. This is the legacy of years of decline which manager after manager was unable to halt as regardless of who was bought in, the core of the squad was rotten

SOMEHOW, we City fans HAVE TO REALISE that the rotten core has been swept away. SoD has cleared the decks and removed the cause of our downward spiral so, WE CANNOT KEEP REACTING TO THE NEW TEAM IN THE SAME WAY AS WHEN THE OLD SQUAD WENT BEHIND as this is probably the most destructive and poisonous thing that can happen to a fledgling new team which has youth and ambition but in its current fragile state, IT NEEDS OUR SUPPORT to help them fight their way back into the game.

I have to say that I was against SoD when DM was appointed and he wasn't my first choice this time either but I could see that the club were looking for a proven face to continue the rebuild that DM had started. Now he is here, I am encouraged with the clear out and the new players we have signed so, lets get behind them and help them out of a hole when we are behind rather than heap dirt on top of them cos that is hardly encouraging is it.

If things don't improve and we are still struggling at Christmas, it is probably curtains for SoD but until that point, help the lads as:-

THIS IS NOT THE SAME TEAM THAT FAILED US SO BADLY LAST YEAR

 

I turn up to every home game with the same optimism that this is football, and there has to be a loser or a winner, and a draw at home in this league for me, is practically a loss 8 out of 10 times!

I disagree with this notion we are a new team, we are no newer than other teams that have been relegated, Wolves were completely depleted, where are they? I am not saying we have to be as good as Wolves, but it is not unheard of for teams to have almost an entirely new starting line-up many of which do perfectly well, and a damn sight better than we are.

This is football though, and this is the price you pay, ups and downs, but I refuse to be blamed for inadequate performances by a man who does not posses the qualities to lead a team for me. But as I have said time and time again....

THINGS CAN'T GET MUCH WORSE, SO HE MAY AS WELL BE GIVEN TIME! BUT I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR DISAGREEING WITH THAT OR BOOING SHODDY PERFORMANCES, OR BEING ANGRY THAT THE MANAGER SEEMS TO THINK ITS THE HARD PAYING FANS FAULT

 

Prem I understand what you're trying to do, you was saying up till the final game last year we won't go down until we just thought you was mad But whilst you have an opinion on the booing (I won't boo) you have to understand that some feel that it's a way of voicing an opinion towards the team. Don't knock them try to understand them, they are no different to you and I, both want what's best for the club.
If you was there last night seeing the players play it round until they ran out of options, whilst Shrewsbury to their credit was trying from distance whilst we was becoming scared. Their goal was IMO a brilliant counter attacking break, bang out of the 18 yard box midfielder showed Shorey a perfect disguised pass, player down the wing cross bang in. In approx 15-20 seconds.
I feel we are too nice to teams, 1-0 down Fielding taking forever to launch it, once even out of play at the other end. Sometimes we need to show fight, ram it down their throats. Which will happen, and this is why I say patience but this subbing at 1-1 really pissed me off. But I won't be calling for SoD's head I just want the players to play as kids without fear and go at them.