Today's protest/late entry

You are definitely on here just to argue and piss people off. I and lots of other posters are just trying to put our views across sensibly. The singing of the Hull City song was in my opinion supporters expressing their preference to keep the name the way it is. It was not an organised protest and like I said I have not met one person who is in favour of the name change even if they do not want to go on a march. I really don't know why I am bothering even trying to make you understand because you are so just on this board to ridicule people you do not have anything sensible to say, just a wind up merchant.

 

“You're protesting about the people protesting.”

Beyond this forum, City and Hull, this sentence is a fair snapshot of England, 2013.

 

Mission accomplished.

 

For me, the definition of a wind-up merchant is someone who says something just to get a reaction and don't really believe what they are saying.

If you refer through my posts I have been consistently in the "Don't like it but will accept it camp".

This is a perfectly valid point of view to have even if you don't like it.

However the "I will not accept the change" seem to think it's perfectly valid to throw insult after insult at this group but then call foul play when the same group comment and take slight amusement in the fact that it dawns on the "I will not accept the change" that they are indeed a minority as the low-turnouts have shown.

I'm fine with being called a c*** or a wind-up merchant, but don't expect to not get a response back from those you choose to ridicule so freely.

 

And how silly do these quotes look in retrospect....

 

These are the kind of tactics that need to be taken, I'm not sure even this would put an end to it though, Dr. Allam seems very stubborn when he wants his way and I think it would have to be drastic to stop him.

Personally I think ticket sales would have to take a significant drop, specially season ticket renewals, before it could be thought about being put off. Once the rebrand is in place though, it will take years of failure for it to revert.

I think the whole stadium could turn up 5 minutes late for every home game and Mr. Allam wouldn't give a flying ****. I think he'd look at it like this "they've bought the product they can use it when they like, turning up 5 minutes late doesn't devalue the ticket price". Anyone doing that protest just pointlessly missed 5 minutes of football for nothing.

 

See again you're wasting energy on looking to criticise another City fan for protesting. If you're really in the 'don't like it but will accept it' camp as you just said in the previous post to this one, why are you so keen to ridicule those who agree with you that it's a stupid idea, but are willing to stand up and do something about it? Surely those people are fighting your cause on behalf of people in your camp who will just 'accept it'. That doesn't add up does it?

 

I agree with this. We need more creativity and to hit Allam in the pocket and show him he doesn't pay the bills on his own. He's talking about an £11m deficit, well I think it would be about double that if no one bought a season pass.

 

It's comments like this & your previous one that make you a ****.

You do not want the name change, yet you openly ridicule those who are trying to stop it. Can you not see how much a a pathetic **** this makes you look?

If you put a little effort into questioning what you don't want rather than ridiculing & belittling those who have the same view as you but are willing to ask the questions you wished you had the balls to ask then your sad, yes man of a life would be less empty.

A sad little yes man.

Edit: PLT Snap

 

funniest post of the year .. good luck convincing 17k people to not renew if we stay in the league .. Im sure you wont renew however ... true ????

 

Which is kind of the point I've been trying to make. I don't think anything we can realistically do will change Dr. Allams mind in this. 'He wants he gets' seems to be the way he's used to. I've come around to accepting this is 99% going to happen now, doesn't mean I have to like or agree with it, but I'm not going to cut my nose of to spite my face in protest.

Who knows, it may even work. I personally don't see how it's going to attract a new international fan base or anything remotely like it, but Dr. Allam is the multi-millionaire entrepreneur not me, and I'm sure his decision to go through with it is not just on a whim but on the back of market research and advice from marketing professionals also.

There is one instance I can see it working though, which may be a while down the line, but I think it will be a big hit with young children. I reckon they will find the whole tigers thing cool and if we're in the premier league spotlight, I reckon a lot of those trying to choose their own team to support could catch on to it, whether they're from the UK, America or a small mountain village in Tibet.

I do think local marketing should be the priority though and be looking to be having the KC sell out each time with extra demand to move in to a stadium expansion in the future. I guess that would also depend on continued success though.

 

For kids to latch onto a name nowadays Bob it'd have to be Hull Halos or maybe more appropriate Hull CODs

 

maybe it would be better to allow Allam the benefit of the doubt Throw support towards his crackpot idea , and i dunno make it clear that
the protest group (if it has any organisation) will support it a season & in the unlikely event that financially it improves the clubs standing then
Grrrreat !! if not - then a quiet return to the AFC is made . no real harm done .

there is no way a bloke in Singapore is gonna spend a months wages on a City shirt coz we drop the AFC and the The .
Ive not been to the far east , but i expect the only shirts on sale are bootleg and of the big six teams in the PL .
I bet its a struggle finding a Stoke or Fulham shirt !

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

I posted several weeks ago about an experience I had here in Melbourne about 15 years ago, where I was directly involved in a protest movement regarding the change of name of a football club (Aussie rules) that has a remarkably similar history and culture to Hull City.
In the end, the only way the matter was "resolved" (not everyone was happy because it involved COMPROMISE), was via direct negotiation between us (the protest group - which then split anyway due to differences in approach) and the club officials.
Along the way, there was simply disappointment after disappointment that our fellow supporters could not muster the necessary outrage to participate in various forms of protest that were arranged and publicised by the protest committee.

For what it's worth, I still feel that opposition to the name change is worth pursuing but the more unsuccessful events you have, the more you actually entrench the change you oppose.
Watching yesterdays game on the telly over here (we should have won), the singing of "City 'til I die" came over loud and clear. In my humble opinion, the protest needs to take a form that will guarantee MASS involvement, therefore my suggestions are -

1. Don't buy any merchandise that has been "wrongly" branded - and advertise this as a major objective,
2. Keep singing "City 'til I die",
3. Try and organise a banner - a really, really big one - with something simple and very much to the point, i.e, HULL CITY AFC - The Tigers (if you can get it into the ground) AND don't unfurl it until City score. The message being, happiness/success equals Hull City,
4. Keep e-mailing your opposition to the club EVERY DAY and
Finally - Someone has to find a way to have a sit-down with Dr. Allam at the point where it is felt that protest is succeeding.

I'm going to apologise in advance again if this sounds like a distant relative telling you what to do. I really do believe that opposing the name change is worthwhile and that those who claim the "no changers" are in the majority are correct. I am simply trying to share my experience on this very issue as well as a lifetime of activism in other areas. The challenge for those opposing the name change is, as I see it, twofold -
a) how to transform passive resistance into something tangible and
b) can you get your head around the notion of compromise and if so what is your bottom line? (I realise that people's bottom lines are going to be different but I think an honest assessment of the comments made by many different people in this forum over the last several weeks will tell you what an acceptable outcome might be to a broad spectrum of supporters).

 

Please grow up and stop assuming meaning in the actions of others.I sang most of the songs today.I could not give a monkeys about the name change.
Most people may not care about the name change .I do not know-neither do you.
People are entitled to their own opinion
Not agreeing with a mob does not make someone a fence sitter.

 

I heard the crowd singing 'Hull City' and 'Tigers'.
Also heard them chanting 'Steve Bruce'.

Does that mean they want the club to be named Steve Bruce?
Would it make some posters on here happy if we maintain out link with the past by becoming Steve Bruce AFC?

 

It was noticeable that the "City 'til I die" and "We're Hull City" song are being sung more often, and more loudly, than in previous seasons - some matches last year, for instance, you might not have heard either. Even some of the South stand were singing yesterday. And absolutely no-one is singing "We're Hull Tigers"

Personally, whilst I am against the name change, I will support my team whatever some arrogant egotist calls it, and I will always call it "Hull City". For that reason I will be there for the kick-off each match, and renew my season ticket next year. But for the first time in years, I have not bought a replica shirt, and I now bring a bottle of juice to the game rather than buying a drink there. It's a small protest - but it could be big if enough people do the same.

Assem Allam makes a much of his business experience, and to be fair, many principles apply to all kinds of businesses: proper debt management is a case in point the previous owners have got wrong. But AA seems to have forgotten that, just as in his own manufacturing business, the customer is always right. And in his new role as owner of an entertainment business, giving the public what it wants is a key rule.

 

One man protest against the protesters?

"I'll sing the songs the day after the game, that'll show them people who do give a monkeys about the name change"

 

yawn.. if protesting makes you feel more of a fan. do it.
I will look on whilst you all piss in the wind.
AA owns the club - he hates the council.
nuff said