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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Flyer, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Flyer

    Flyer Well-Known Member

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    Baird only cares about the money and for that reason, I dont want him as he will only sign for us if the others dont pay more.
     
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  2. QPRNUTS

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    Please tell me Flyer how exactly you know this? The truth is you don't. You seem to cast aspersions on players with no real proof other than what's in your brain. Most people will see that he is keeping all his options open hoping that a Prem club comes in for him. Most reasoned people will understand that he is quite entitled to do this while quietly hoping that he still does sign for us.
    You're speaking through your **** again.
     
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  3. Flyer

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    I dont care if hes waiting for a PL team, we need to move on and get players that want to play for us. Not players using us as a last resort. Thats what got us into this in the first place.

    So what will your thoughts be when he signs with a PL team after the deadline and we cant get a replacement in?
     
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  4. QPRNUTS

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    My point Flyer, is that unless you know the player or his agent personally, then you have no idea of what motivates him or the current situation is in trying to sign him, except for what rubbish is printed in the rags. You stated that Baird "only cares about the money", my point is that you don't know if that's the case and then you build your usual sh**e argument of not wanting him for that reason. It's utter tosh.
    The circus that's the transfer window becomes crazy in the last 24/48 hrs for the very point I made. Agents will advise their players not to sign too early during the window and wait for the best deal to come in. The last 12 hours becomes a frenzy for this reason. Players will then take the best offer currently on the table. It's natural and it's normal. Players can't be slated for this. Everyone of us would do exactly the same.
    Many players don't just sign for the money. Believe it or not some actually care about the level they play at. I don't know for sure but I'd be willing to bet that we could have topped Parkers wages but instead he chose Fulham to stay in the Prem. Can any level headed person really criticise him for doing that ?
     
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  5. Flyer

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    I want players who want to play for us. Simpson had no problems dropping a division as he wanted first team football. would rather have players like him than thirty somethings messing us about.

    the club should have given him a deadline weeks ago and then moved onto the next target.
     
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  6. SW Ranger

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    How do you know we haven't?
     
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  7. Flyer

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    Have I missed us signing a RB or CB in the last couple of weeks?

    If we had moved onto the next target, HR would not be talking about Baird at PCs.
     
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  8. herlja66

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    I find this thread laughable. How on earth does anyone think that we need to bomb in 6 new signings. This isn't the premier league, every other club in the championship would kill for our squad. Our focus should be on keeping the current crop together not disrupting it by adding panic buys at the end of the window. Baird and a striker would do for me. Most of our players can play more than one position and the youngsters can be played when necessary.

    People critise the rushed player purchasing by the current board that got us into this division, and yet seem to think its the way to get out of it.... It's not, having a relatively small group of determined players is, and thankfully we have that right now, and some of them can actually play as well. No need to alter our current situation drastically
     
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  9. QPRNUTS

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    All fair points.
    Another CF (due to AJ and BZ injury records) and a creative central midfielder would do nicely
     
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  10. Bigchazqpr

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    And Someone who can play a couple of positions in the back 4 preferably for me.
     
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  11. Flyer

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    No backup CF, no backup LW, no backup RW, no backup RB, no backup CB, no creativity in CM.

    Even now, 4 games into the season we are having to play CMs on the wing and its showing in us not creating a lot.
     
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  12. sb_73

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    CF - Austin, back up Zamora
    LW - Hoilett, back up Traore
    RW - Phillips, back up SWP
    RB - Simpson, back up Onuoha
    CB - agreed we are one or in some situations two short
    creative midfielder - can you give an example of the type of player you mean? I think we are lacking there too, but am struggling to think of anyone realistic to fill it. Many on here believe Barton to be the answer.

    We may not have good quality or entirely appropriate back up in all cases, but we theoretically have back up.

    One or two signings and some loans will do it.
     
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  13. Grifter

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    Because we're unfortunate to have 2 injured wingers. No one's addressed my point on the first page:

    "We don't want to smash another huge "layer" of players onto the wage bill every transfer window. With our buying power, we all know for fact that there'll be more additions in January. There are 19 league games before January the 1st, so we only need a good enough squad now to get us through those games. Then we can reassess and make some more educated squad tweaks."

    Is this incorrect?


    You're really stretching things now to justify being negative. Harry hasn't spoken about Baird for a few weeks, I watch all his interviews on QPR player. So the fact we haven't signed a RB or a CB means we haven't been looking for one? This is clearly untrue. I know as QPR fans we like to think we're more informed about our club than the people in charge of it, because it gives us a sense of importance. But come on. Deals are quite obviously going to be brokered in secret without our knowledge, don't presume the club is making some calamitous error because we simply haven't heard about them.
    Besides, I posted up an article about "Faouzi Ghoulam" earlier- there's a LB for you!
     
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  14. Flyer

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    CF - We play with 2 up front and we wont even make the top half if Zamora has to play.
    LW - Redknapp doesnt rate Traore
    RW - Lol at SWP, again nowhere near good enough
    RB - Means we only have Dunne and Hill at CB with a combined age of nearly 70 with no backup.
    You can also add LB if Redknapp gets his way and moves Traore.
     
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  15. Flyer

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    Yes, if one or 2 injuries mean we will be in the bottom half. Its not unfortunate to have 2 injuries, 8 or 9 injuries is unfortunate and 4-5 is normal at some points in the season.

    Take out Onuoha and Austin for the season and look what we have, you are risking the whole season on hoping they stay fit, same goes with AJ which is doubly ridiculous.

    Im not justifying being negative, the club should be planning for several injuries because they will happen, especially with so many old players.
     
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  16. Grifter

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    I agree that we need to make a few additions, i'd be happy with three/four. Any more is excessive though, when was the last transfer window we didn't make a signing? There'll be at least 3 more in January you can bet. There's a good core of spirit in the squad, adding six players is going to muddy the waters. We just need to insure ourselves against 90% of possibilities injury wise- for any squad to be 100% insured they'd have to have about 4 players in every position.
    A striker, creative central midfielder, and utility defender might do- and a guy who can play as striker or winger would be a bonus.

    http://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/qpr/q...le_injured_phillips_sees_specialist_1_2359840

    From the looks of things, we've just got the leeds clash to get through, after which both hoillet+phillips will be available from Birmingham onwards.

    If it all goes tits up and we get a million injuries, that's tough. We'll have to stick Sam Magri at CB, Shariff on the wing, or Hitchcock/Sutherland up front.




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    I'm sure they are, no point rushing signings for the sake of having a stronger Squad V leeds. There was no point rushing signings for the sake of the first 5 games either, getting the right ones in for the other 41 was most important- even if it meant dropping a couple of points early on (which we haven't really).
     
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  17. Flyer

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    At the least, we need 2 players for every position plus an extra CF and a couple of utility players, that gets us to the 25.

    Going into the season with only 1 winger, 2 fit (for now) forwards or a single RB is insane.
     
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  18. Grifter

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    I'm happy for us to be left a little short in a few positions if it means not having to buy six players. That sort of influx has been culpable for poor seasons in the past, and would be particularly so when we're just starting to build a close-knit squad. There wouldn't even be a pre-season to "bed them in", the pressure of competitive fixtures is only two weeks away, after tomorrow.
    If purchasing 3/4 rather than six means we're relying on youth players as backup-backup in a couple of positions, that's fine by me.
     
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  19. sb_73

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    Johnson and Hitchcock the other 2 forwards. All I was trying to point out was that your original statement of 'no back up' was a bit exaggerated. We have back up, but its thin and not great quality in all cases.
     
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  20. Swords Hoopster.

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    Hear hear
     
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