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Have we got any money?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Charley Farley, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Charley Farley

    Charley Farley Well-Known Member

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    So far this window we have a total net spend of £4.8Million.

    I am aware that some free transfers may have a cost but how much can that add up to?

    We are supposedly getting rid of some high wage earners and replacing them with lower ones.

    I don't have the figures but with Sky, sponsors, events at the SOL, marketing and gate receipts surely we get in over £100Million.

    Why are we linked with a 5th. choice Swansea midfielder. How can Swansea, Cardiff or Southampton spend so much on less than 30,000 crowds and having just recently come up.

    Are Swansea so far ahead of us (in a couple of seasons in the prem) that we are excited about the possible signing of someone who can't get into their side, this after signing one of their strikers who couldn't get a start for them.

    Can we really not afford to spend £25-£30Million on a centre field playmaker and a left back? (what's a left back?)

    I know we've signed quite a few but with only about 4 going to feature in the first team and the rest 'ones for the future' I'm not sure how much stronger we are at this moment.

    I think PDC is doing great and have agreed with all he has been coming out with but he needs backing (for the cm and lb)

    I reckon we should stay up this season and improve next season when the likes of Mavrias, Carlsberg and Ba (and maybe Connor) start to feature.

    So then, where's the money?
     
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  2. Riviera

    Riviera New Member

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    And there's your problem mate ..........
     
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  3. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    Short has spent an incredible amount of money is recent seasons. Maybe this is a season where we can balance the books and then spend big on a quality cm next year

    Anyway 25-30 on two players for a club of our size is ridiculous, especially one of those players is a lb!
     
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  4. Brian Storm

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    I think we'll be better off next summer. We need to take into account

    MoN and backroom staff settlement.
    Set up of recruitment drive
    Contracts of Paolo and back room team.
    Contracts of recruitment team.
    Transfer Budget for Development Transfers.
    Add that to balancing the wage book in order to break even.
    January Emergency transfer pot (just good sense to have one)

    I think we've got a little to play with but not much. Unless Ellis can be convinced of digging deep for a one off.
     
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  5. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    I think the problem is the wage bill, cant remember exactly but i think our wage bill was 78% of turnover and under the ffpr it has to be under 60%, reckon the added tv revenue will have brought us under that but i reckon it will be tight, shift sess, bardo and vaughan and we have something like £130k pw to play with.

    I dont think its funds that are the issue
     
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  6. Riviera

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    One of the worst in the PL apparently.
     
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  7. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    When you look at what Titus was on it scares me to think what Gards, Vaughan and Larsson are on.
     
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  8. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Unsure on larsson but gards and vaughan are on £35pw and its in the sun again today about sess being on £68k
     
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  9. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Chelsea set to back financial fair play and cap on wage increases as Premier League clubs get ready to vote

    Agreement: Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is likely to vote in favour of new proposals to introduce a cap on wage increases and financial fair play proposals
    Chelsea are set to back both a wage increase cap and a compromise financial fair play deal at Thursday's showdown meeting of all 20 Premier League chairmen, it can be disclosed.
    The Roman Abramovich-owned club had been viewed as a hardline opponent of financial fair play (FFP), but it is understood Chelsea will agree to a system that obliges clubs to break even but allows owners to cover some losses.
    The thawing of the European champions' position should now ensure that both spending control systems are agreed tomorrow.
    Arsenal, Manchester United, Tottenham and Liverpool will still argue that wealthy owners should not be allowed to underwrite any losses, but in order to push FFP through will have to settle for a compromise, where up to £105m over three years can be covered.
    Opponents of FFP argue that the system maintains the status quo and favours the biggest clubs with large stadia and high commercial income.
    Four clubs - Manchester City, Fulham, West Brom and Aston Villa - are still expected to vote against it.
    Chelsea's backing of a compromise, however, should enable the necessary 14 out of the 20 votes to be reached.
    The wage increase cap may also be watered down - initially Sunderland owner Ellis Short had suggested a maximum 10 per cent increase allowed for player wages.
    It now looks likely that the cap will only affect those clubs whose total bill is higher than £52million so that promoted sides are not prevented from improving their squads.

    Wage cap: Sunderland owner Ellis Short suggested a 10 per cent cap on wage increases
    Furthermore, spending money earned from clubs' individual sponsorship deals on wages will not be restricted. That can be significant - in Manchester United's case commercial income totalled £117.6m last year and their wage bill £160m.
    But some form of wage increase cap will satisfy club owners, who are fearful of the bulk of the income from next season's bumper new television rights deals - expected to be worth £25m-£30m per club - going straight into the pockets of the players and agents.
    The Premier League's expected FFP system would be less restrictive than UEFA's, which is being brought in from next season and will oblige clubs to break even or face possible exclusion from European competition.

    Rebels: Current champions Manchester City are still likely to vote against the proposals
    Under UEFA's system, for the first three years owners will be permitted to cover annual losses of up to £12million via equity but that will then be phased out.
    Arsenal, Manchester United, Tottenham and Liverpool - styled as the 'gang of four' after they sent a joint letter to the last shareholders meeting calling for owners not be allowed to cover any losses - argue that tough FFP measures will maintain the Premier League's competitiveness and its attraction to a global TV audience, rather than risk a situation developing such as in Spain, where only two clubs dominate the football landscape.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eague-clubs-proposals-vote.html#ixzz2dM9yVxpz
     
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  10. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    <yikes> Squad players. Too much money imo. Not Sess, but I think it's Ta ra for him.
     
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  11. Riviera

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    That his new lass like ......
     
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  12. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Theres a few of them left catts £35k, shambles was on the same, killa £20k.

    Bruce and mon to thank for that, should have offered mig that sort of money and he might still be here
     
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  13. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Ha Ha! Ok why not. :p
     
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  14. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad Ellis is wise to it now.
     
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  15. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Pleased he was prepared to pipe up in the meeting and that we havnt done anything silly like loan a player on £100k pw thats injured and up to court on a rape allegation <whistle>
     
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  16. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Well he's been a major player in the setup of the FFP hasn't he?
     
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  17. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Yep! Just have to look at his background to see why
     
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  18. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    These new Italian fella running the place must cost a bit as well.
     
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  19. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    I read quite a bit into him when bought us. Lone Star Funds and what not.
     
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  20. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    You mean his court case?
     
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