Demba Ba

The way Cisse has lost his scoring touch I`d have Ba and Remy as the front strikers tbh, However it seems we are talking to Gomis again so not sure what to believe.

 

Reason for Cisse having lost his scoring touch is NO service. Not one iota of service. Our creativity is in midfield but they do not get the ball. It goes over their head

 

It is massively different from Cabaye refusing to play? That's just a bizarre comparison.

Demba never refused to play and always gave 100% (and that 100% was **** hot too). Ba is just a far better player and striker than Cisse, I can understand a striker wanting to play striker. You could argue he was very much a team player for even agreeing to play out of position. What Pardew bottled was dropping Cisse and putting the two of them in competition. If you think Big Al would have agreed to play wide because a fellow striker was outscoring him for a short spell, you're mad as a mongoose.

 

Demba Ba is not better than Cisse - he was just more suited to our percentage-based, reactive, long-ball system. Cisse would not have failed so badly at Chelsea.

 

Refusing to play wide is almost just as bad as refusing to play all together. It undermines the manager in just the same way, even more so if the manager still decides to pick you whilst also caving to you positional demands (as the weak minded Pardew did). Comparing Ba to Shearer is the odd comparison fella, seeing as Shearer's scoring record was built up/proven over 15 years and add to that the fact that he was club captain. Ba had only arrive 6 months prior to Cisse and had only had half a good season in England at West Ham prior to joining, he had no right to have that sort of ego.

How is refusing to play in a position giving 100% He gave 100% for one season, in his second season it was all about him, shooting when others were in a better position, wanting to take free kicks etc. It was all about how many goals he could get himself to get himself that big money move. He's admitted as much.

 

I personally always thought Ba was the better striker. He's more intelligent and has a better touch. His size is an advantage too. I wouldn't complain with a front three of Ba, Remy, and HBA.

 

He s for me. The ball actually sticks with Demba. I've been patient with Cisse but he has been average for a while. Demba was average for about three games and class thereafter.

 

I don't think he ever refused to play a certain role. He waited till the summer and told the manager he wanted to play as a striker. His manager decided such was his quality it was better to play him in his preferred role than lose the player. Looking at us since he went, he was right. He gave 100% in every game he played. He has not admitted anything of the sort. He simply admitted he is ambitious to play at the top table - where his talent belongs.

So you think comparing a striker with a striker is more odd than comparing a player refusing to play, with a player asking a manager to play him in his natural role at a season end after playing team man for half a season? Bizarre. Asking Ba to play out of position was not a long term solution, we all knew that. It was best for the team at that time. He is a striker and like Shearer, Ferdinand, Cole etc he will obviously want to play as front man.

To be honest I'm struggling to see any logic to your comments

 

Because, as I've already said, our system was ideal for Ba. He played his best football when we were at our ugliest. It's unsustainable - and Cisse represents a progressive, passing future, hopefully under new management.

 

The club should go for it and make it happen if they can.

I don't think we've had a better all round striker since Shearer retired.

 

Right back at you fella.

It's proven Ba is a prima dona, when Ba signed for us he said it was because we made the best financial offer (he declined Everton). He then did exactly the same to us by joing Chelsea.

Earlier you made a comment about the fact that Pardew should have put him and Cisse in direct competion for a central place. Pardew did this and chose Cisse away at Everton (Cisse deserved the shirt based on the season before) and what happened? Ba's agent kicked up a stink saying Pardew is showing Ba a lack of respect, saying Pardew had made a mistake etc. So he was dropped for one game, couldn't handle being dropped so he and his agent took to twitter to publicly state their dissatisfaction.

Hardly the team player you're referring to is it?

 

Even if we are interested Ba would never come back here anyway.

 

People say that Ba and Cisse dont work together but to a degree I disagree.

When they played together the TEAM scored goals. Albeit it was either one or the other but at lease we created chances. Both players had chances to score goals because the midfield had an option to hit one of the players and the defenders had two strikers to mark.

With this current team we have no creativity for two reasons.

We are taking pot shots from silly places rather than work a GOOD opportunity and...
The reason why this is happening is because the midfield do not have ANOTHER option.

The ball does not stick with Cisse, He is a poacher of a striker. Not a target man. He is not build for it and nor can he pull it off.

Demba was and is an immense powerhouse who brought others into the game. He soaked the defenders towards him which meant more space for.... CISSE to move into and that is the reason why he scored with Demba with him.

 

And for the record there is no chance of Ba coming back on loan.

He is more likely to go to West Ham.

 

The only surprise is that you haven't been desperately trying to do this for the last month. Roman should be feeling generous enough to pay a percentage of his wages too.

 

Carroll weren't bad.

 

All signing Ba will do is give Pardew another player to add to the "jobs for boys" brigade.

I mean if he ain't happy not playing at Chelsea what's he going to be like here if Cisse and Remy click from the first game. Pardew will end up playing Ba no matter what and players like this aren't good for the team.

 

can we afford to wait if he doesn't

 

No it isn't, its your opinion he is a prima donna. He is motivated by money, and playing at the highest level possible. Nothing wrong with that. That isn't the definition of a prima donna. That is someone who chucks his toys out the pram like Dyer when he refused to play wide, or Cabaye when he huffed off against QPR because someone had the temerity to kick him (like he does). As for his agents, you need to separate that from Ba himself. He was always very professional and spoke well of the club publically. He should have controlled his agents more but agents are agents. You are clutching at straws to try and paint this picture of unprofessional/prima donna that doesn't exist.

Bottom line is Demba was outstanding on the pitch, never refused to play anywhere told to mid season, was respectful in his comments about the club, and went about his move the right way. Just because he didn't have some emotional tie to the club because he wasn't from the area, or wanted to play in his primary most productive role which was best for his career, and had a desire to play at the highest level possible, shouldn't make him a target for false accusations about professionalism or poor conduct.

Its no wonder we struggle to sign players when our fans can't even appreciate the ones who perform and give value for money.

 

seem to remember that Ba left at the begining of the transfer window
allowing you now who, time to replace him, but didn't

by the way all footballers are prima dona's
show me one that is not,
they all love themselves, and this goes all the way down to junior level football