Never got a hiding like that? Eh Fergie?

How is it obvious Real Madrid are the second best team in Europe you clown? WHat have they won in the past 6 years with this team? Compare that to United and Madrid are nowhere near them. Barcelona faced Real Madrid who are probably one of the Top 4 teams in Europe. United beat Chelsea who are also probably in the Top 4 in Europe. You ridicule Chelsea but go on to say Arsenal were formidable opponents to Barca. How do you work that one out?

For a Liverpool fan you simply cannot afford to ridicule a much superior team like United when you lot haven't won a tap in 5 years and just get worse with each passing season.

 

I mentioned Arsenal because its obvious to every person with an IQ of more than 2 that Arsenal are vastly superior to Marseille.
Chelsea were on paper a strong side,but they were a mess going into that qtr final.If Chelsea had their head screwed on right,it would have been a more even contest.Ancellotti at the time was losing the plot.Thus resulting in his sacking.
I'm still convinced that Real Madrid would have given Man United a similar beating to the one they gave Spurs had they met in the semis.

 

Oh right YOU are convinced. It would have happened then...

Not that this Madrid side hasn't done anything of note in the past 4 years but yeah because they have such wonderful individual players it means they would have hammered us 5-0.

You are totally clueless mate. It shows in that you reckon Liverpool have a brighter future than United and you will suddenly be challenging for the title. How? What evidence is there? You win a few games when there is no pressure yet you got hammered by Braga in Europe and got bummed by Spurs at home when the heat was on. Dalglish will do what he does best when the going gets tough and he will bottle it again. Don't kid yourself with this future is bright bollocks because each season you have gotten worse with no signs of improvement.

Barca have been raped by your 6th place team 8-0. I am CONVINCED

This bow4fowler can't handle the truth it seems. Not really a mod are you when you only edit things that go against Liverpool..

 

Our future is brighter than yours.Whoop di doo.Fergie has made his major signing of the summer,Serial crock Michael Owen has agreed a new one year deal.
They need someone to give the physios work to do seeing as Owen ''Arthritis legs'' Hargreaves has been released.
Fergie is going to mount a massive spending spree,with what exactly?Fresh air.How can you go on a massive spending spree when you've made losses of £109 million and have interest repayments of £45 million on a £600 million debt and your owners are £1.2 Billion in debt.Explain that one?
FSG have money,and are prepared to bankroll Kenny,they have restrictions lets be said,but those restrictions don't include price.They include age and how many games players play.So obviously they aren't targetting either Owen or Hargreaves.
The premier league is going to be dealing with a different Liverpool from now on.One that wants to destroy both Ferguson and United and won't stop until it delivers and will do what it takes to do so.

 

Because they have scored more goals this season, ronaldo almost got as many as your entire team, more than your two top scorers combined, they play better football have better players a better coach and performed infinitly better against barca as even 1 is infinitly better than the 0 United offered in a contest as one sided as tysons mouth and holyfield's ear.
Yes well done getting that far with that team, it is almost akin to 2005 apart from the fact that we faced tough games and actually won, not by some flukey slip on the last pen or two extremely fortunate goals in injury time, even your two wins of the CL had no authority stamped on either game and were as much timely fortune as anything else, as good as united were in 99 Bayern were significantly better than United that night

 

at the end of the day kingpepereina the one word that stands out above all and is used predominantly in your replies is the word IF, and second to that BUT, with you its all if and buts well if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle but she doesnt so she is my auntie.

you can only beat what's infront of you, over a 5 year period united have made 3 cl finals and barcelona have made 4, united have won the prem 4 times in the last 5 years and barcelona pretty much the same, now the questions i have to ask.

do you consider the cl the most elite club competition on the planet? yes or no

do you consider la liga and the prem to be the strongest leagues in the world? yes or no

if you say yes to those questions, which you will undoubtedly, then your whole argument falls flat on its face. Plus your claims that real are second to barca in europe are unfounded over the same 5 year period they have made it into the last 8 once, that was this season.

so in conclusion less of the if this of if that and but for this and but for that, look at the facts of what has happened and then make a judgement, im a fellow red but nulike you i have a basic grasp of understanding things and dont let my hatred and lets just say it bitterness get in the way of what has been an outstanding achievement for United, one that we can only dream at the moment.

 

better against barca as even 1 is infinitly better than the 0 United offered in a contest as one sided as tysons mouth and holyfield's ear.
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clearly you didnt see the united goal then? that made it 1-1? straight from the barca handbook that one sublime finish. but i suppose cos its rooney who scored it didnt count ?

the facts are united got the final and earned the right to get a beating by barca by laughing at them you laugh at liverpool fc our club because we werent even good enough to one get to the competition, but we failed to even get past braga over two legs in the europa, we failed to qualify for europe next season, and all this while united have supposidly had their weakest side for 20 years. so how poor does that make us?

you are so silly and deluded its untrue, you just cannot be a liverpool fan.

 

instead of comparing incomparable stats, which cleary demonstrates "Straw Clutching" and your clearly clouded emotional state after being shown how bad your team are by Barca and earlier this season by Liverpool, compare the teams man for man, and you will have a crystal clear fact, man for man Barca are better than UNited in every way, United would have ended 5th or 6th this year in the spanish league "imo" and not a fact as I am NOT a loser daling in absolutes, thats where the 'IF, comes in because it is a probability, know what that is?

 

You should be banned from this forum for spouting pure drivel.If you think Man United are so ****ing great..go visit their ****ing **** board.Stop spamming ours.

 

Actually, it's looking more and more like you're the one that's not a Liverpool fan.

 

Ze Liverbird.
So you can see it too.I think as I said in my previous post regarding his Man United love-in he should **** off to their board.

 

If I remember correctly, it was offside the United goal and shouldn't have counted should your 1 shot on target at goal in 90 minutes of football, there has never been a 1 sided champions league final like that.

I reckon Barca academy would have beaten United never mind the first team or reserves. It was just a non event and gave Platini every oppertunity to look the apathetic bored frenchman while watching the limpest display from a finalist. United can try hide behind how good Barca were when Fergie knows all to well that their failure to make it a contest was EPIC

 

I wonder if Man United fans would have said there is nothing wrong with getting humiliated by the best team in Europe had it been Liverpool that were destroyed by Barcelona.I'm not saying Liverpool would have been destroyed by Barcelona,but we definitely would have given them more of a game than the headless chickens did.

 

I can't believe some of the delusion in this thread... Yes United have overpaid for a couple of players but then again they've more than made that up in absolute bargains. Every team has overpaid for a couple of donkeys.

Chicharito - £7million, C. Ronaldo - £12million, Evra - £12million, Vidic - £7million.

Anderson is worth £20million btw, he's still a very good player and has yet to reach his potential he's just been hampered by injuries. Carrick for £18million is overpaying a bit yes, but he has been solid since he joined and most players and educated football fans realise he is quite a good, useful player.

And anyone saying Liverpool would have beaten Barca... YOU ARE HAVING A LAUGH. Noone would have a chance against that team... do you really think the best manager in the world Sir Alex Ferguson really thinks that the reason Manchester United did not beat Barca, was because our midfield could not tackle? That is ******ed.

No disrespect to most of you Liverpool fans though, it's just the ones who believe Manchester United chanced it into the final of the champions league and were lucky to win the Premier league due to refereeing decisions.

 

I donmt remember anyone saying we'd beat htem, it was said we have beaten them, significant difference between the two as Barca were a different team then but it is always hard to go to the nou and get a win no matter who you are and we did it twice.

It is pretty much general concensus that the whole game plan from United was in bits after 15 minutes regardless of the score when that familiar pattern emerged and it is also the same for Liverpool providing more of a challenge, a fight, there was just limp submission to a not already determined outcome, game plan A was a failure of epic proportions and the team didn't play as a team with the spirit of a squad willing to bust asses for each other instead of a bunch of individual egos and that is United, as much class as Barca have as individuals they play for the team and not individual glory, this team willingness to bust their collective asses to get a result.

In this respect Liverpool would have imo closed down space more effectively as you saw at Anfield where we strangled Hernandez Rooney Nani and Giggs got in their faces and walked out easy winners in the end, where was Uniteds team spirit in a game against such rivals, the lack of this is explained away in the "Cup Final" quote D'bitter.
Aso unlike United's forwards Suarez can dribble past two players so there is always the possibility of goals, I reckon he'd round Pique no problem. I would not bet huge money on a Liverpool win against that Barca team and thats the bottom line


Reading some of the above posts it is clear that the old format was harder to win because qualification was so much more difficult, you have to win your domestic league first so it matters not about teams ect

 

Why are the mancs using the excuse that Barca are the best team in the world and are therefore unbeatable? No team is unbeatable, whether they are the best team in the world or not. Real beat them in the Spanish Cup. OK, it wasnt the prettiest football, but nevertheless, Mourinho got the tactics right on the day to beat the 'unbeatables', and left with the trophy (until they dropped it off the bus lol). If teams are judged to be the best and only those could ever win games, there would be no point at all in having teams play in competitions. Their names could simply be entered into a computer to let the software decide the winners. I dont think Fergie ever looked at the games throughout the season which Barca lost, especially the Spanish Cup Final, and he didnt employ one single tactic used by opposing teams who beat Barca. Instead he relied on delusional myths and mantras such as 'We are Man U, We are Great, We will win, This is our year' etc etc etc,.

The outcome was inevitable.

 

Welcome to the site mate!

Good to see another Red on board.

I have to agree on United's tactics as well, they were naive - almost as if Fergie hadn't watched the last time they played them, let alone Barca's defeats this season.

I saw the line-up and thought they would struggle. And they did, and many United fans are not impressed by Fergie.

He's almost mesmerized by Barcelona it seems.

 

Didn't Sporting Gijon beat Barcelona.?
There is a reason for that.Sporting Gijon weren't phased by such illustrious opponents.They fought, battled,and scrapped.
I agree with the above point.
In 2005,the likes of Traore,Kewell and Baros should never have been on the same pitch as Maldini,Pirlo and Shevchenko.....on paper.They were and they won.
Why is that?Even though 3-0 down at half time,they did something United didn't...they battled and scrapped...They fought as if their lives depended on it.So thats the reason why I don't believe that guff that ''Barcelona had better players and a better team''.
No team is unbeatable.If some teams were unbeatable there would be no such thing as cup upsets,and as we all know there is such a thing.
In defence Barcelona had a Man United reject and a midfielder(Mascherano).Get your tactics right and you can hurt them.United lost due to Fergusons overall arrogance and down right stupidity.

 

I'd agree with that mate!

Giggs, Carrick and Park in midfield? No Nani?

Not good enough

 

Not picking Darren Fletcher was even more silly.
He didn't pick him against us and went with Carrick and Scholes,I know Man United fans when he did that would have settled for a draw...at the start of the game.On both occasions Ferguson committed ''footballing suicide''.