Well pirelli did bring different tyres to Monaco (super-soft/soft rather than soft/hard) but since it was the soft that was wearing quickly in other races i think the tracks are causing the difference. For example at i think it was turkey there was high wear because of the characteristics of one corner. It is worth noting that Monaco had other factors like the saftey cars and red flag, without which Vettel would not have been able to one stop. His tyres were due to "fall of the cliff" one or two laps after the red flag let him change tyres. I hope that answers your question and i do think that you posted this in the right place because of how much the wear rate will affect this race. Canada had some awful tyre wear last year on the bridgestones but i remember something about the tracks disuse being the cause of that so it will be interesting.
I think it will still be Vettel on pole in Canada as some posters mentioned the efficiency of the RB7's DRS...and there will be two DRS zones! Hamilton won't be too far behind in second. Then maybe Alonso/Webber/Button. But I expect a very different order come raceday. I can see the McLarens and Ferrari(s) performing well in the race, I certainly hope both outfits beat the Red Bulls to reel in Vettel a bit closer. Wouldn't it be sweet if two McLarens and two Ferraris beat the two Red Bulls? Don't get me wrong, I do not hate the Bulls, I just want a closer championship...I think every fan does. I reckon Hamilton can snatch this win, just like China.
Well, the number of DRS zones is irrelevant in Quali, but the number of large straights (or flat out sections) might make the DRS more important than at other circuits. I think if Vettel gets pole again, it's going to be interesting to see if Mclaren can beat Red Bull with strategy, or if the DRS zones will be so large overtaking is easy.
The most likely scenario will be a Vettel pole, with McLaren faster in the race. In theory. Never rule out Ferrari!
Thanks for the reply, I am just surprised at how long the Prime (soft compound) lasted in Monaco, when it was the Option tyre in earlier races, it hardly lasted 7 laps. Unless the other circuits have surfaces like cheese graters, it does seem strange that they lasted almost 8 times longer than previously if they are essentially the same compound. I voted for LH for the win in Canada, but reading other posts, it will be interesting to see how the other cars cope with the two DRS zones. Just had a look to see where they are going to be, essentially from the hairpin to the first corner, only being deactivated for the right/left before the start/finish, so the run off area if the drivers overcook it, looks like being the pits....pun intended! Am I right in thinking that if you are being overtaken, you can't deploy DRS to 'reattack' in that zone? If that is the case, it should make the start/finish a very busy place indeed. I can't wait for next weekend!
Welcome to the forum! If the soft tyres lasted over 50 laps in Monaco, while the supersoft tyre lasted about 20? If the soft only lasts a few laps at Canada, you have to wonder how quickly the supersoft tyre will degrade. I think the decision was very brave by Pirelli, but I honestly don't understand the logic behind it. Before the season started, they said their aim was for 2-3 pit stops each race - if this was the case, surely Pirelli would bring the hard and medium tyre. Unless I am missing something very obvious, the pit crews will be very busy in the race, drivers will be in the pits for most of the qualifying sessions and very few laps will be completed in Practice. I don't really understand it.
They said something in Monaco didnt they that in Montreal, the tyre deg will be lower due to more grip from the S/SS. Or something along those lines. Atleast I remembered it
I read something similar on a forum or perhaps it was the Beeb F1 page (can I say that?). I think the article was along the lines of "because the Soft/Super Soft has more grip, it wears less as it doesn't slide about on the track surface as much as the Hard/Medium compound." Which makes no sense to me whatsoever, it has more grip because of its composition, but also wears out quicker because of that fact. If that was the case, Pirelli would only need to produce 4 compounds and save loads of money developing/manufacturing the hard and medium compounds. A slight deviation from the original thread... apart from the current rule that two different compounds have to be used, why don't the FIA just let teams get on with the race and let them use one compound/set of tyres if they want. If the 'cliff' is that bad, only a fool/awesome driver would elect to stay out the whole race on one or two sets of tyres, the recent displays from Webber and Heidfeld with brand new tyres certainly spiced things up!
I've gone Petrov, because that Renault is monstrous in a straight line. Don't know how they manage it, considering the other renault powered teams aren't that impressive when it comes to straight line speed.
Does Heidfeld have a bonce as massive as Petrovs? If so, perhaps they are stalling their rear wings in a straight line with their huge heads!
I think this might now be the third time I've explained the Pirelli logic, but here goes...(I'm probably getting better at it!) When a tyre spins against a surface, it degrades. Therefore the harder compound tyres, with less grip, will spin more against the surface, and wear out faster than a softer compound tyre, which will grip to the surface more and spin less. This makes softer tyres supposedly last longer on low grip tracks with abrasive surfaces. At least thats the theory. I think the Renault's could be quick, but I was surprised from Monaco that apparently Red Bull were the fastest in a straight line. Doesn't mean too much as its Monaco, but surprisingly nonetheless.
Hi guys. My guess for the win would be either Lewis or Fernando. Both great drivers and I think Red Bull will lack the straightline speed needed around Montreal which will put them behind Mclaren and Ferrari. I would love to see the battle and tyre deg and quali like 2010. As for my tip I think a dark horse may be to place a bet on Petrov. The car has good traction, not bad in a straight line either at a track where its not downforce dependant. They could mix it in with the Red Bulls.
Thanks DHC, Makes a lot more sense now - so in theory, softs will last longer than hards... interesting. Hembery explains that here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91914 I'm convinced pole position will go to Vettel, but he won't be able to convert that to a victory. If either Hamilton, Button or Alonso get's on the front row alongside Vettel, they have the best chance of winning the race. I say that because Red Bull's race pace is weak in comparison to their qualifying, and with 2 DRS zones it's unlikely that Vettel will be able to hold of the challenge of a faster driver. Red Bull might have been fastest in Monaco, but in other races with longer straights, Red Bull always have a deficit in straight line speed compared to the likes of McLaren and Ferrari - which would make it even more difficult for Vettel to defend. Welcome F1 2011 - I would expect Renault to do well, but I can't see them beating the top 3 teams unless theres a collision up the road or a bit of luck.
If that is the case with the tyres, why have Pirelli bothered to make the medium and hard compounds in the first place? So it looks like tyres aren't going to be the issue at Canada, more likely KERS and DRS. Will there be enough start/finish straight to effectively use the DRS if it turns out to be a mad dash for the line on the last lap? I wonder what would be the true speed of the RB7 in comparison to the other cars if they (all) were prohibited from using DRS in qualifying, seeing as their race pace appears a little suspect.
I don't think I've contributed to this thread yet, but I've noticed some discussion of the tyres Pirelli will be taking, and some surprise at their choice of softs and supersoft compounds. The thing about Montreal's track is that it has a pretty low coefficient of grip which makes it difficult for a tyre to 'bite' on. With harder compounds, there is less contact between tyre and track, which, as everyone knows, means less grip. However, oddly enough, less grip does not necessarily equal less friction over time! The reason is that when a tyre breaks traction, it suddenly 'smudges' itself on the track surface, which rubs it away very quickly indeed. Think of a pencil eraser on paper: pushing it down firmly can make it very difficult to move across the paper's surface because there is a high friction coefficient, but at the same time it experiences no wear! Only when it moves across the surface - like a sliding tyre - does it experience graining; those little rolls of rubber that you have to dust of the surface when you've finished 'rubbing out' your mistake. So, when a tyre is subject to extreme forces, as is the case with racing; a lack of grip leads to graining and blistering because it is more prone to slipping and sliding in every direction. It spins up more easily under acceleration, it blocks more easily under braking (causing flat spots), and it slides sideways more easily, experiencing excessive slip-angle* during cornering. On the other hand, the softer tyre is more compliant with the surface, literally filling in the tiny gaps between the stones (at least, more than the harder compound), meaning that it does not spin, block and slide as easily as the harder tyre! But it is far from an exact science: temperature makes a very real difference. Get a soft tyre too hot and it virtually melts away! Get a hard tyre too cold and it grains very easily due to the effects described above. Tyres are interesting: every time you drive your car, you owe your life to them. - - - *Slip angle is the term which refers to the difference in angle between the direction of the car and the direction of the tyre. It is only zero when the tyre and car are travelling in a straight line, since all cornering involves some element of 'slip-angle' (however slight), due to the fact that the car only turns because of the action of the tyres on the road or track surface.
I'm surprised Vettel is so far behind in the poll, he has to be favourite surely? There could be a lot adverse media interest in Hamilton next race after his comments last time and he hasn't dealt well with this in the past when it has happened so I wouldn't be too confident on his chances coming up at Montreal.
I don't think the media/ the bad Monaco race will affect him. He tends to boince back. For example his china win was after a very poor outing in Malaysia
I don't think anyone in the world noticed Michael Schumacher overtake Nico Rosberg and Hamilton on the hardest corner in Monaco before his engine let out. Sad really, hope Mercedes powered engines can show something good on the Montreal straights.
Hay Manny! hows it been? Yeah was a shame for both drivers at Mercedes, the tyres just got shot for Nico after 8 laps while he was fighting for Webber for fourth. Both drivers deserved more and I hope with you as well that a good result comes at Canada with a circuit which should suit us.
