No I didn't see it sb buit posters across many forums have commented on it. I'd like to see it, can I get it anywhere....what about BBC I player thing? Anyone got any ideas.... Im gonna go search for it now ! If anyone can find a link then let me know please !! EDIT..I player only available in UK....!
From my personal perspective its not about what you know (which is all down to education, environment, personal motivation) but what you can do with what you know, analysis of info, decision making etc. So there are people who are genuinely thick i.e. of limited intelligence, no matter what their background/education etc. Nobody's fault, nothing can be done (beyond some 'training', gaining experience etc) and these people should not be mocked any more than we would mock the disabled. Then there are the people who act 'thick'/ do 'thick' things through laziness, lack of motivation or sometimes lack of information and experience. My degree of mercy on these people (who seem to make up the majority of my colleagues) varies according to my mood. Beckham's christening comment could fit into either camp (though I'm not sure I know what the Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto etc equivalents of christening are called, if they have them, or how I would describe them without using the word christening...) Shouldn't take this too seriously, what you posted was for a laugh, but immediately made me think 'is Beckham really thick?'. I don't know the answer. Somehow I get the impression that he might be a little vain though.
It'll be on Iplayer, but not sure you can get that in Oz. Never seems to work for me when I'm travelling.
I saw this when it was on a lesser BBC channel a few months back. I thought Carlisle was very honest and open although it seemed to be mainly about him validating his preconceived views about the triggers etc. As a documentary for raising awareness of a hidden/almost taboo issue within the game, it was an effective piece. I must confess, though, I tuned out once I'd caught the gist but I'd have liked to see how football, as a whole, deals with the (less stigmatised?) forms of depression (eg triggered by personal loss) because the framework and resources for dealing with the more "accepted" forms holds the key for tackling the bigger issue IMO. If I missed the point, please set me right.
Originally Posted by Queenslander!! That was on a game show he won....mutiple choice questions.. id be suprised if he was smarter than Gareth Southgate TBH! Sems like a good bloke though and isnt he some sort of players or union rep now? Seems to be the front man in a lot of public debates. Stil think Southgate is smarter TBH Did you see this programme Queens? While there are no prizes for 'most intelligent footballer' I'd be very surprised if any of the usual talking heads could have made this programme with anything like as much openness and feeling as Carlisle. Obviously that springs from his own personal experience and courage as well as intelligence. I was seriously impressed with him as a person.[/QUOTE] I remember it well, he was up against Alan Brazil FFS!
Cheers for that sb...That was a really good watch. Id urge the other Aussie boys that cant get I player to have a watch too. I agree, clarke comes across as a really decent humble & intelligent bloke who obviously cares. In asking what can be done how about this. From my understanding, to coach / manage a team you have to take caoching badges. Now assuming that mental state of mind affects your performance, then why is this topic not covered in the coaching badges system. Surely if a coach, manager etc has the ability to spot and help/ deal with a player having these issues it will improve his team and team performances.? Seems like common sense to me & maybe I'm missing something, but I cant see what. Once again Thanks Stan
wow just watch this. this guy is a credit to the game. how many of our players now would have got drunk all summer long because they felt they let us down.
I felt the programme glossed over Carlisle's drinking. luckily I know nothing about depression but which triggers which or are they seperate? I also have a vague recollection of a fuss being made about him signing for Leeds. I think we gave him a free transfer (we paid 250,000 when he came to us) so that he could get away from London nightlife and then he goes and signs for Leeds, that city of soberness. I enjoyed the programme but I am not sure it was as unbiased as they tried to make out.
I felt a lot was made of his depression but virtually nothing about his drinking which was rumoured at the time to be very heavy. As I said, not sure what comes first. alcohol sometimes makes you happy but other times has the opposite affect.
Once again Colin, you're bang on the money. I've little sympathy for Carlisle if I'm honest. I remember clearly the way Ollie and the Club helped him out when he was on the booze. They put him through a rehab programme (Tony Adams Clinic?) when the Club was totally skint and stood by him all the way - (all this after he'd destroyed our chances of promotion in Cardiff.) Their reward? A transfer request. I don't think this guy is as vulnerable and genuine as he tries to make out.
Depression is not quite the same as feeling tearful after hitting the gin. The two can be linked but, to my knowledge, depression comes first. Carlisle said that part of his was triggered by being released from Blackburn for instance.
Swords by the sounds of it this is the sort of attitude that makes people not want to talk about it. Maybe after going to rehab he worked out living in London or even playing for QPR was the problem.
Doubt it. He wanted to join Leeds because they were a bigger Club in a higher division (and probably higher wages). Nothing wrong with that in and of itself but when your employer goes above and beyond the call of duty in looking after you in your time of need, they should expect a modicum of loyalty in return I would have thought. Just my opinion though.
As for the depression / drink problem, i think in his case the 2 went hand in hand. Yes it was glossed over and not really mentioned and as far as i remember, we spent a lot of time (& money) on him. Think he could have been great for us but the outside influences were obviously a massive negative. I think the right move for him was to leave us.... Im honestly not sure how i fel about him. We supported a troubled soul during his bad times, & then he leaves. Maybe he should have shown us some respect BUT look at what he has become since sorting his life out. We were a massive part of that development. If he saves 1 person from commiting suicide then we should be proud of what we have done as a club. IMHO?
Totally agree with you queenslander. How many players has the club screwed over the years. The only loyal people in football are the fans.
