Historical biases could be one of those problems. It's not that he has a problem with Australians, it's the "blind eyes" they get for acting like twats just because they're Australian.
seriously what problem dso you have in accepting fact? because those facts show Vergne is faster, and finishes higher, than Ricciardo under race conditions, check for yourself, if you dare.
what question did I duck? I simply said you were talking ****, looked up their lap times for this season on a website and found that, as I thought, you were doing what you usually do, talking **** and having a pop at people who disagree with you. So do yourself a favour and remove your empty head from out of your arse you obnoxious twat.
Do any of you actually take the time to watch the race unfold between Vergne and Ricciardo? Like, for the entire race. Didn't think so. Here is a couple of posts I found on Autosport that explain why Daniel goes back in races and how absolutely ****ing painful it is to watch (also I'm too lazy to write it up myself). Oh, and Silver, speak for yourself.
Ahhhh but I have respected Psychologists that prove history lessons influence how we see different nationalities at a young age all the way into adulthood. There's a reason why the European union wants to change the way the UK learns History to not be so biased to their own nationality being "the good guys" all the time.
For what it's worth, I think Vergne is a talented driver too, and I think he's got pace but I think he definitely benefits from the choice of strategy that comes from qualifying lower. I think Ricciardo would have more to gain from the Red Bull and a lot more to offer Vettel as a rear gunner. We can't expect Vettel to have no say in who his team-mate will be. For example, compare Perez and Kobayashi's performances in Italy last year. Kobayashi qualifies 8th, on the soft tyre, and goes backwards because the team let him drive it off the cliff. Perez qualifies 12th, gets to put the medium tyre on, and had much better overall pace as a result. This is perhaps another argument in favour of scrapping THAT STUPID ****ING RULE THAT YOU HAVE TO START THE RACE ON YOUR QUALIFYING TYRES but that's a debate for another thread. Vergne has, whatever his strengths, failed to improve his weaknesses as a driver (poor qualifying), whereas Ricciardo is improving steadily. (For the record, out of Vergne and Ricciardo, I'd choose Kimi)
Final tally: [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sebastian Vettel[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Mark Webber[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]17[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-0.51s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]15[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]921[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]117[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Fernando Alonso[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Felipe Massa[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]10[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-0.224s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]15[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]799[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]169[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Jenson Button[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sergio Perez[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]9[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]10[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-0.24s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]13[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]6[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]624[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]488[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Romain Grosjean[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]All 2013 team mates[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]9[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]10[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]+0.17s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]5[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]403[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]485[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Nico Rosberg[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Lewis Hamilton[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]11[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]+0.158s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]495[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]516[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Nico Hulkenberg[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Esteban Gutierrez[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]18[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-0.816s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]12[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]808[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]135[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Paul di Resta[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Adrian Sutil[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]11[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]+0.311s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]460[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]366[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Jean-Eric Vergne[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Daniel Ricciardo[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]4[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]15[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]+1.049s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]5[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]6[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]302[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]591[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Pastor Maldonado[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Valtteri Bottas[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]7[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]12[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]+0.348s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]9[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]508[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]481[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Charles Pic[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Giedo van der Garde[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]11[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]+0.151s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]447[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]367[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Jules Bianchi[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Max Chilton[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Qualified ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]17[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Average qualifying gap[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-0.585s[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]-[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Finished race ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]14[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Laps ahead[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]786[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]207[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
Whilst I don't expect Ricciardo to do much against Vettel in the races it may be interesting to see if he can get ahead much in quali.
I knew Ricciardo was good in quali but not that good. Should be interesting to see how he matches up with Seb, although I always rated Mark as a decent quali driver.
I expect some of that gap is down to the time differences between quali sessions that Vergne didn't get through which distorts is slightly. If Vergne really was that consistently slow he'd be shown the door.
The drivers who made it to Q3 [TABLE="class: tablesorter"] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TH="class: header, bgcolor: #E6EEEE"]Driver[/TH] [TH="class: header, bgcolor: #E6EEEE"]Eliminated in Q1[/TH] [TH="class: header, bgcolor: #E6EEEE"]Eliminated in Q2[/TH] [TH="class: header headerSortUp, bgcolor: #BAD7E7"]Reached Q3[/TH] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sebastian Vettel[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]19[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Mark Webber[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]18[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Fernando Alonso[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]18[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Lewis Hamilton[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]18[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Nico Rosberg[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]17[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Felipe Massa[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]3[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]15[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Kimi Raikkonen[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]15[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Romain Grosjean[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]4[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]13[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Jenson Button[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]11[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Nico Hulkenberg[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]10[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]9[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Daniel Ricciardo[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]9[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]9[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sergio Perez[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]11[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Paul di Resta[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]4[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]10[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]5[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Adrian Sutil[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]3[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]11[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]5[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Jean-Eric Vergne[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]3[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]12[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]4[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Esteban Gutierrez[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]10[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]6[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]3[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Valtteri Bottas[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]9[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]2[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Heikki Kovalainen[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: center"]1[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
as neither are german titles I'd suggest something the rest of the not606 community can appreciate, try Fuhrer?