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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Bexinio, Jul 27, 2013.

  1. Obertan's Rancid Toe

    Obertan's Rancid Toe Well-Known Member

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    Here's me thinking Mignolet was your player of the season last year, no?

    I'm not saying they're right, just that I can see where they're coming from. Personally I think Stoke, Hull and Palace will go.

    Explain how it's comical?
     
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  2. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Sessegnon is far and away our best player. Giack is up there with him now. Our goalkeeper did very well last season but in no way was Simon Mignolet our best player. He was very eye catching while MoN had us playing like blind camels. In an attack minded team like Paolos Sess is far more influential. With our now improved defence the likelihood is that he wouldn't have had a similar season had he stayed.

    Comical because Giack is an established Italy international who was a star at the confederations cup and has been playing at Juventus the passed couple of years. Cabral has Champions league experience along with a winning mentality. Roberge and Diakite also have European experience along with big, bad Wesley Brown coming back.

    It's comical because I don't think you'll find anyone who's actually looked at our signings and their ability who thinks we'll go down.
     
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  3. Gil T Azell

    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    I for one have been very impressed with the way you can see we are trying to play our football now. I thought next season would go very well or completely tits up. I have on the last two performances in the Asia Cup decided to banish the latter thought. On decent pitches I believe we will shock quite a few teams next year.
    The new players seem to have gelled quite quickly, there appears to be thru balls, flicks and one/two's not quite coming off yet but will in time.
    I still think we need more strength in depth tho.
     
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  4. Obertan's Rancid Toe

    Obertan's Rancid Toe Well-Known Member

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    That's one way of looking at it but maybe the bookies are thinking Diakate is injury prone, Cabral and Roberge both came from a rather poor quality league and haven't exactly set the world alight, Giaccherini is small and could be totally unsuited to the league, we'll have to wait and see, and he played a bit part role at best for Juve really.

    I can think of some awful footballers who have played European football, it doesn't mean much to be honest.

    The pundits/bookies who are tipping you to go down have to have some reason for it like.

    Anyway all I said was there are question marks over the players' heads I didn't say they were all ****.
     
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  5. Schwerer Gustav

    Schwerer Gustav Well-Known Member

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    As long as Seb Larsson plays for Sunderland we are doomed...........................................apparently
     
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  6. Moorsleymountainman

    Moorsleymountainman Active Member

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    Not one Bookie is tipping us to go down. That's the bottom 3 in the betting is it not. We aren't in the bottom 3 of any betting odds. like said half the (so called) experts wouldn't be able to name half our team.
     
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  7. pauloc1981

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    Loving this you like gustav!

    To be onest tho mate, your bang on with your statement when you remorve the sarcastic tone. Very insightful, well.done!
     
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  8. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    What are you on?
     
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  9. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    We had an appalling season last year and rightly finished 4th bottom. In a massive reaction to that poor season, Ellis Short (our superb loved Owner); Roberto De Fanti (our highly respected and connected Dof); Valentino Angeloni (our massively respected and experienced chief scout) and Paolo Di Canio (our much loved young ambitious team manager) got together to thrash out a new game plan. They fully realised how close we came to relegation last season and have acted to try and change that poor form and league position, which has resulted in 9 new faces (so far) to bolster our squad. In order to do that he has sacrificed 1 top player and a few fringe players. Mig was superb last season but we got £11m for him and have invested it back into young hungry and talented players. Hopefully this will pay dividends in the coming months.


    Your lot finished 2 points and 1 place above us and were equally ****e for much of the season. Over to you then Rancid patter, for your summary of your amazing hierarchy's attempts to turn your fortunes round for the forthcoming campaign? Tell us about your summer? Anything of note to discuss? Lol

    This should be both a hilarious and embarrassing response, so stay tuned?
     
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  10. 2010 tops dog

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    [if we get two decent forwards in And a couple of squad players amd keep our cream of the crop then i would say we have had a superb summer.
    no europe league to mess woth and the five french lads now have six months in the uk, buying 5 lads in at one time was tough, guess you will find this outQUOTE=Forza Cest;5080560](null)[/QUOTE]
     
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  11. Obertan's Rancid Toe

    Obertan's Rancid Toe Well-Known Member

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    We'll have to wait until the window closes won't we? I'd rather we signed two or at the very most three as people seem to be forgetting we signed four players in January who went straight into the starting XI and we've seen in the past when you look at other teams who change too much at once it just doesn't work.

    Thankfully we've got quality all over the pitch now but clearly need more forward options and back up for the wings. Apart from that I can't complain as I think we've got a far better squad than when we finished 5th and without Europe to get in the way and all the new boys having adequate time to integrate with the team, and with a bit if luck injuries wise, we look to be in line for a good improvement on last season.
     
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  12. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    God loves a blind optimist. 5th bottom, no improvements and yet still a better team than 5th top?


    There are more internal divisions than the Egyptian government and yet you think all is progressing nicely? Players inventing make believe religious reasons for wanting away and your best defender reluctantly staying when his heart left 8 months ago.
    Good luck with those positive thoughts chum. You'll need every one of them this season.
     
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  13. E.T. Fairfax

    E.T. Fairfax Well-Known Member

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    Correct me if im wrong but didnt these 4 signings give you a welcome boost for about half a dozen games where you picked up a few points which arguably kept you in the premier league??? They seemed to intergrate very well instantly, then as time went on they/your team lost their way again! Like SAFC at the moment, you were in desperate need for new players to give yourselves a boost, in the short term, it worked! In all honesty, theres nothing wrong with your squad, with a new forward they should be comfortably aiming for top half, but the combination of your owner, manager and DoF, the whole set up, are rotten to the core. I'd be worried that this circus will affect the players. However when you think Newcastle are on the up they have a habit of falling flat on their face. Likewise when you think that they are on their arse the end up doing alot better than expected! So I'm expecting them to do quite well......knowing my luck!
     
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  14. Obertan's Rancid Toe

    Obertan's Rancid Toe Well-Known Member

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    Sissoko hit the ground flying but he is constantly played out of position in an attacking midfield role and you can see he isn't used to it. Gouffran and Mbiwa both had ok starts as well and Debuch had the worst start of the four. I expect all of them to be better this year, I'd rather sign a new left winger and keep Gouffran for back up though.

    I don't know about rotten to the core. Take away one bad appointment in Kinnear and you couldn't say that, we're also one of very few clubs who are actually ran properly financially and turned a profit last season before player transfers and will continue to this year.

    Plus we just got the academy level 1 status which will probably end up meaning **** all but it's something.
     
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  15. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Can we just shoot this total myth down in flames once and for all.

    Your current financial position is only secure because Agent Ashley has taken all the massive debt under his personal wing. Your massive debts have not gone away they have been secured by the very person a large percentage of your brethren constantly campaign to remove?

    He can and is taking any profits to pay back the what would be bankrupting debts he has covered. Once he decides to cash in his chips a the casino Sid James, your club will be right back in the financial meltdown it was before Agent Mike hid them in the first place?

    So lets not talk about financial miracles lets talk about accounting smoke and mirrors instead?
     
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  16. Obertan's Rancid Toe

    Obertan's Rancid Toe Well-Known Member

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    Accounting smoke and mirrors <laugh>. The club makes more than it spends, that's all I said, and it's true. What's financial miracles got to do with it? Or the debt Ashley wrote off?

    How can a club that's making a profit be in financial meltdown?
     
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  17. grandpops

    grandpops Well-Known Member

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    Don`t think that`s right mind?
    Might be wrong but didn`t he just take £11m towards repaying it?
     
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  18. Obertan's Rancid Toe

    Obertan's Rancid Toe Well-Known Member

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    Where'd you hear that?
     
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  19. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Man Utd make money every year but they have a massive debt towards the people who bought it. If they decide to cash in KMan Utd are ****ed too. Real Madrid rely on the Madrid local govt to wipe off its massive debts every couple of years.

    Newcastle have massive debts that have NOT been wiped off, they have been swallowed (in a great smoke and mirrors accountancy practice) until Agent Ashley decides otherwise.


    Absolutely spot on and he will continue to take money from the 'profit made' each year through player sales etc until he has recouped his investment and repaid the debts he has personally guaranteed.

    That the barcodes cannot understand this leads to misrepresentation about the real state of their financial situation. If someone benevolently came along and paid the building society the money I owe to them for my house I still wouldn't own my house, I would simply owe someone else that money. If they then said I didn't need to pay them back until they decided, I would be much better off with my disposable income but still not solvent in any shape or form and always living under the shadow of then new lender wanting his money.

    Whatever the situation however, I certainly wouldn't then be calling for that new benefactor to **** off and certainly not being part of a fat cockney mafia? Lol

    Its probably too hard for most thick craas to comprehend though.....until Agent Ashley sells up or cashes in and leaves them up the proverbial without the prerequisite equipment?;)
     
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  20. Nads

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    Was in every single national and local newspaper through the week mate.

    I'd suggest, also, that the standard of the Swiss and Portuguese leagues are massively improving, backed up by the performance of their sides in Europe last term
     
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