Our U20's fared no better than our U21's - Egypt for Christ sakes! So much for..... England Under-20s boss Peter Taylor says his team will aim to put English football "back on the map" at the Fifa Under-20 World Cup after disappointment at the European Under-21 Championship. Too bad we don't have a gem like 21 year old Neymar - Moses? Sterling? Oxlade-Chamberlain? Tom Ince? Under-20 World Cup: England knocked out after Egypt defeat England were knocked out of the Under-20 World Cup at the group stage following a 2-0 defeat by Egypt. .....England have now gone 16 matches without a victory at the Under-20 World Cup - their last win was in 1997. please log in to view this image
Good to see the "no competition" rules at schools are paying dividends then......!! Its all about taking part not just winning my....my kids teachers told me that at an open day.....BOLL*X!!! Never happen over here !
The bottom line is we simply don't have enough quality players coming through who are given a chance at the top level. PL teams are trawling the world to sign up young kids for their academies who rarely ever make it through to become first team regulars. Until our teams start looking long-term we'll continue to be second-best but they have no incentive to change their ways, if they need another player £30-40 million is a drop in the ocean to the big clubs...
Whilst the Premier League is ruled by money, nothing will change. It needs to implode and have to start again, then rules can be implemented to limit the amount of overseas players in each squad. Only then will home grown talent have the chance to come through.
European employment laws will prevent limiting the number of European players any club can have; we'd need to leave Europe as well.
But don't other domestic leagues, ie Italy and Spain have a similar system where they have a limited number of "foreign" players? I remember this being discussed a few years ago?
Once again, wrong target. In Spain and Italy there is virtually no school sport, yet they produce winning international teams at all levels. Our problem is British 'football people', the one's who run clubs and coaching at all levels, and at the lowest level parents who stand by the pitch of the U9s baying for them to hoof it clear, take someone down, abusing the ref, calling the talented 'ball hogs'. A those that make it to academies are then judged primarily on size and strength. We deserve everything we get.
The UK culture is broken beyond repair. We have sold out and simply can't play today's game ... And what's more we think we still own the game and that everyone who plays in teh premiership is English. It's all very Vauxhall
I strongly disagree that we "simply can't play today's game". English players have the ability and can have in the future. Sb is right about the coaching and the preference in our academies for the big, strong kids. However, there IS an effort afoot to make a sea change. Smaller games for youngsters etc are happening now. Slowly but surely I believe that the coaches and parents at the grass roots level are beginning to see the light. It will take a long time, but I believe that England will begin to get it right over the next 10 years or so, although it will probably take 2-3 years before any difference begins to show!
I hope you're right Col, but I've been hearing this argument for change for over 20 years now, and not seen noticeable difference. Brooking has been saying it forever, and he is allegedly in a position of influence. Our best chance was when Tel and Hoddle were England managers, people who actually loved good, intelligent football. Roy has the international outlook but will do anything to buy a result and doesn't trust his players to play. Not sure I blame him. Just like club football, we have to make a stand and say 'this is the way we play, if you are not comfortableon the ball, you don't have a hope, whatever position you play'.
I don't remember any previous discussion (but that is no surprise). My understanding of part of the Bosman ruling is that no European league can enforce player quotas to restrict the right to work of any European player within Europe, as this is enshrined in European law.
The greed of the big clubs is the problem. They want instant results and pay top dollar to achieve it. They are also in a position to buy players simply to prevent their nearest rivals signing them. Our glorious neighbours had over 20 players out on loan last season, many bought who have little realistic chance of becoming first team regulars. How many 'home-grown' players ever get a serious opportunity to break into their first team? Mid-table clubs just can't wait for potential stars to shine and buy foreign players that are the finished article. Southampton have been one of the few teams to give youngsters the chance and Villa took the plunge last season and have been rewarded, perhaps other clubs will bite that bullet but Villa's scary season might put off others from taking that step. Whichever way you look at it the national team is set to suffer for at least a decade and there is no sign that anything will change anytime soon...
There is change happening mate. I've seen it in the younger age groups in Will's club. It is a long, long road and will take a very long time unfortunately.
I seem to remember that a few years ago there were proposals from the leagues about limiting the number of "foriegn / non home grown" players to 5 per team? I know there was a lot of uproar about it as it was around the time that Arsenal were fielding an all non-English squad. Im not sure anything ever came of it & it could well be that the bigger clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd ec were totally against it because they would have thiere squads decimated. Would also lower the standard of the league and thus impact on Sky's revenue. Like I say; its not gospel but I certainly remember the being some kind of talks or proposals regarding it. Like you say Rolller, maybe Bosman ruling put paid to all of that ?!
If the U20's and U21's can't win anything now, what makes anyone think the players will win anything with the senior side? England's best chance of silverware was when Shearer and Owen were playing at their peak.
