Young English Talent

Saw yesterday (from a dubious link, so decided not to post it) tht we we're linked to Tom Ince and also just seen today Birmingham have accepted £2mil bids from a few teams for Nathan Redmond. If we are serious about getting in some English youngsters these are 2 players who have very bright futures.

Now if we were to sell Cabaye for £20mil, get these two in for a combined total of £10-12mil (Ince would be £8-10 mil) you are left with £10 million to go get a striker, someone like Rhodes or Austin as 2nd choice behind Cisse.

What would people say to that? Would it be a good deal all round for a club? Personally i'd snap my own leg for those deals. Cab's much as I love him IS inconsitant and all of the above have fantastic promise. People may say we need to look at CB as well but I'd have Perchy as 4th choice CB over Willo, he man handled Drogba a few seasons back and could do a job back there.

Overall we would break even and probably drop the wage budget a little so would suit Mike, Joe gets some English players, and Pardew gets a bit more padding to the squad and us fans get some exciting young players to cheer on.... WIN WIN WIN in my eyes.

Any takers?

 

Ince & Rhodes would be quality! but sadly cannot see it happening

 

Depends if the club/manager wants to get the club an identity and not just manage the team on a game-by-game basis. If he wants an identity and Ince/Redmond (wingers) are part of that, and as a result it means consistency in our approach to the game and a clear and specific game plan, then great. They are good prospects and decent enough players already. However, if we want to evolve the role of Cabaye and make a 3-man midfield the strong point of a 4-5-1, or 3-2-4-1 type formation, then we need the best midfielders we can get, not wingers.

 

Is there any particular advantage of a player being English ?

 

Not really but that was what I thought the club were after in this transfer window? And those players would all do a good job at the club IMO, if we can go find another young Ben Arfa type, from else where, lets do that but as I say i was under the impression we were after English players.

 

Valid point, I think we have some cracking CM's in Sissoko, Anita, Tiote (when on form) and Cabaye, also Bigirimana looks like he will go on to big things. If we could keep Cab's and raise the majority of funds through selling Gosling £2mil, Willo £2mil, Obertan anything we can get, Abeid and Amalfitano have been told they can leave, we would have a quality midfield.

 

Prob would give poor them the french would do not give monkeys

QUOTE=Freddd;4924426]Is there any particular advantage of a player being English ?[/QUOTE]

 

Yes we are an English club and therefore should be mainly made of English players. Where possible local players. It is even better again if they have come through your youth system rather than been bought. Of course you also get a superior understanding of the demands of the english game and therefore, bedding in time can often be significantly less too. Identity wise and in supporting our national team by providing more opportunity to English players it is very very important. Unfortunately until there are rules in place which place the same demands on all clubs, those advantages are vastly outweighed by economics.

 

Redmond, Ince, Rhodes, Austin, McManaman, McCarthy, Dunk, Maguire would very much appeal to me. All those types. I prefer the Sir Bobby approach of getting a strong british core to your side.

 

fully understand the advantage of players that have come through our youth system - - can't see the importance of where they were born. a local lad is always nice but that's more daft sentiment than anything.

unless we are actually going to insist on all Newcastle players being from Newcastle, all Arsenal players from north London, etc., I don't see the point of preferring someone from Cornwall over someone from Holland

 

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what ?

 

This, plus there are rules that state you have to have so many English players in the 25 man squad (or have been at the club for more than 3 years before the age of 25, Ie Krul. At the minute we are using our youth players for this but we don't have to register players over 21. So if we had older English players we could have a 40 man squad. This is what United are doing hence why it seems they're squad is massive.

I would prefer to have either one first team player or as a back up in all positions. So for example Alnwick for Krul. Campbell for Cisse and so on. Obviously I'd love for all these players to be better quality right now than the ones I've mentioned. But we don't control our squad.

 

Nothing to do with daft sentiment. Its about how fans identify with their club and how players do. There is no real debate to be had in terms of benefit because the value is simplistically shown by the likes of Ajax, Barcelona, Dortmund, Sao Paulo, Santos, River Plate, Boca Juniors on a regular basis. Others have fleetingly firted with it also in Real Madrid, Man U. Then you have the smaller clubs like West Ham, Crystal Palace, Southampton, Villa currently. As the players identify more with the club being from the area or at the very least the same culture (English culture), they give that little bit more.

There is still room for foreign players as shown with the likes of Barca who have Messi who came through the system. They can have the same mentality and club culture instilled. The benefits to the national team are huge. Its no coincidence that these clubs who operate this way contribute large numbers to the national teams who are the most successful.

All clubs in England should be forced to operate this way for me personally for the good of the national team. That is part of the remit of club football which we have forgotten when we sold out our football to the highest bidders in the 90's. The clubs have a responsibility to produce English talent and opportunity so the national team can flourish.

I understand what you are saying, how does the Cornish bloke identify with Newcastle more than the Dutch bloke. Simply by virtue of being English he will identify more with a place in England than a dutchman will. Whereas each area of England has different personality and culture, they all have common cultural understandings which make us all English. The Dutchman may pick these up over time of course (like Krul) but providing opportunity to English players outweighs the selfish needs of a club.

 

Just following on from this does anyone know what is happening with the majority of the youth team yet? As I mentioned Abeid and Amalfitano have been told to find new clubs but what about people like Streete, Good, Richardson, JJ Hooper, Yven Moyo (is he still at the club)?

And can any of these lads make the first team in the next few years?

 

Moyo has been released. JJ Hooper was too I believe? Richardson got a new contract and Streete and Good are hoping to make the breakthrough this year.

 

Pardew would ruin his career - he's made all our players worse and the young ones included.

 

I can sometimes be a little partial towards some of what you have to say but on this subject our views are perfectly mirrored.

Would you like Fries with your rep?

My own transfer list would be:

Forster
Maguire
Cresswell
Hughes
Redmond
Ince
Austin/Rhodes

 

Why ?

 

I would have thought this was fairly obvious to anybody, English or not.

The vast majority of English people want the England team to do well. Therefore to allow this to happen, your national football association and structure of your national game has to be set up to support this. Undoubtedly there is a minority who are non plussed about the national team. This has grown in recent years because of failure to perform as we have lost the identity of English football and fallen behind our counterparts world wide in terms of coaching/technical standards. The question is often asked "club or country first?" The point is there is no need to have one or the other. you can have both operating at high levels if the structure is right.

Providing opportunity and clubs ignoring their responsibility to provide it has contirbuted to it massively. Some of that of course comes from having foreign ownership. They have little interest in how the English national team does. But largely it has been down to money and the FA relinquishing the power of how football is administered in this country at an elite level to the Premier League.

 

We will never get better at football!!! it's over we are getting worse and our tiny pathetic little island is finished whatever we try.

Even countries where football is not the national sport will get better as we get worse and worse.