Your argument there is that car drivers are incompetent and don't know ho to meet trafic safely. f yyou want seperation, it should be to remove the incompetent from the vulnerable, or at least make these people you talk of take more lessons.
Oddly enough I would have guessed you were one of these entitled tosspots even before this thread. You are exactly the type of cyclist the majority of sensible and considerate road users despise. Agreed and well said PH! Sure, and when the silly ****ers on their cycles acting like twats die, they try to blame it on perfectly innocent car or lorry drivers. Yes I know sometimes its the cause of the car/lorry driver, but seems to me a lot of cyclists have death wishes and get what they really should expect when cycling the way they do. The whole cyclists are more entitled...give me a frigging break. We all pay taxes, we all contribute to the roads, the roads are designed for cars and lorries, not cycles, thats what the cycle lanes are exclusively for. Noone is more entitled to the road than the other, but each user of the road should be afforded the same courtesy and respect. Unless they're wearing lycra.
You can take it as humourosly as you like, it's still a simple statement of fact that cars must give way to pedestrians and cyclists. The unamusing part is you drive a car but are ignorant of this fundamental rule of the road. Yo
I agree they should take more lessons or something. But in the situation I mentioned before, assuming the car driver is perfect, he still has to wait for a cyclist to get across the junction before going anywhere, by which time the light might have gone red again and another cyclist pulled up alongside. It's stupid to have a situation where two vehicles of such differing speeds go in different directions across each others' paths. Saying they 'must give way' is a bit different to saying cars only have a right to be on the road on the condition that the cyclists are okay with that. I'm well aware that I'm not to drive like a twat and everything, but that doesn't mean cyclists have a greater right to use the road than anyone else, which is the point you were making, a point which is totally unrealistic and helps no one really.
There are regular police initiatives and fines for cyclists breaking the rules. Most cyclists are in favour of these clampdowns.
Yep, the car driver should wait, but I'd be surprised if he was there long. I'd also say that once the traffic is moving, I wouldn't suggest cycling up the inside of a vehicle turning left was sensible. I'd go as far as saying it'd be worth fining cylists for doing it for their own safety.
I was in that situation and because i didn't want to hit the cyclists i didn't get to move on the green light and had to wait for next time
Jesus, Bet that really pissed your day off, Rather then knock the twat of his bike and possibly killing him/her!
I suspect everyone's opinion is based their experiences and this debate is unlikely to change anyone's opinion. Since moving my business from London, I sometimes cycle to my office and back. In the main, I find motorists are very courteous with me and when I'm in the car, I behave in the same courteous manner, but then I'm out in the sticks. In contrast, when I'm driving through central London, cyclists are a ****ing nightmare and often deserve to get run over. I've seen them hit pedestrians, get hit by busses running red lights and are generally a menace to other road users of all varieties. There are good drivers and there are **** drivers, ther are good cyclists and there are **** cyclists, there's no right side to this.
Yeah really did piss me off. I know its unusual its only ever happened the once to me but made me check my indicators once id got to work
You should leave as much space passing one bike as you would passing riders two abreast. Your way would double or tripple your problem. That's why the highway code has little problem with two abreast (although there are exceptions) Sounds like you met some well trained cyclists.
I cycle and drive and in general people are fine, there's few idiots and fools, some drive, some cycle. What concerns me is the poor level of knowledge some people seem desperate to share. It'd be funny if it didn't run the risk of killing people.
You need to read it more fully. It suggests there are times when it's more appropriate but also times when two abreast is better. The Govt backed training schemes suggest more than two is better on occasions . A single line of six riders would cause havoc on some roads. Two rows of three would be like passing a car.
I do read the highway code fully, tell me where it says that cyclists can go through traffic lights or indeed ride bikes at night with no lights. You can just get a bike and jump on it and pretty much do as you like with no real training, most kids do it and untill the law is tightened on training and rules a cyclist will get no sympathy from me except when I am out in my car trying to correct their dumb arrogance that the road belongs to them.They should be made to pay for using the roads the same as everyone else same as bloody horses. Why should I have to pay to use the road and if some moron on a bike scratches or dents my car he will inevitabely do one leaving poor old me to foot the bill as has happened to me twice this year.
