The media paint one picture as do Foreign governments. This article is from someone who went there and asks some questions that deserve thought. I have no idea and am not predisposed to any particular argument, I am ignorant in Syrian matters but after Lybia and Iraq as well as many other propaganda fests by western media and goernments I am distrustful of anything I read and hear. So many times I am reminded of how Spain was treated by Europe during it's civil war when Franco and the nationalists were aided and supported by Germany Britain Italy and France to the detriment of Spain for generations. As with Lybia and Iraq, the US and UN go in and remove the unfriendly government and pull out to leave the people to butcher each other. Syria is having a religous war at the moment and those who lose will be butchered for their affiliation and religon regardless of wrongdoing or not and so it is understandable that either side will fight to the end. There are some conflicting points not mentioned by the media in order to get "Our" support for their agendas and little objective information being released, in fact it is being hidden. In Lybia the French and US operated outside their UN mandate and installed pro Franco US forces in Lybia who do not even control the country but at least US and French interests are secured eh to the detriment of many who have just disappeared and<or being killed for association, there is no law in Lybia but the oil flows in the right direction as it does in Iraq. Iraq has 1 million dead since "Liberation". The US installed one religon and assigned the other 2 religons to poverty and destitution and this has caused the country to go up in flames of religous hatred. The Syrian rebels are now going to be armed, what the media are not telling us is that there is not one group, there is no syrian rebels as "one" entity and they possibly hate each other as much as Assad and his cohorts and when or if government forces are defeated, there is little doubt they will turn on each other, they are not united. They are having children behead people and these are the ones the US and UN want to arm with weapons! This would not be the first time the US and UN basically armed children to fight for the US and UN's aims. Nor will it be the last. http://truth-out.org/news/item/13624-descent-into-holy-war-whats-really-happening-in-syria
Good post BBF, I agree with you. I don't beleive half the stuff we are being told. Whilst I hate the fact that the govt in Syria is killing its own, you can't just go giving arms to rebels until there have been talks and there is an interntionally recognised org/movement to give the arms to. Any search on YouTube or other sites can show you Rebels committing acts just as sickening as the reigime, look for the bloke who gives his lad a machette and lets him behead a fella. The situation is ****ed up, I hope I never find myself in a situation like that.
Syria? Latest in a long line. Our Govt propaganda is hilarious & it still surprises me how the sixties didn't remove the WW2 (necessity then) style complicity of our media to these govt agendas. Lol (bitterly) While I'm not an amnesty international kind of guy, our strategy of coat tails on US foreign policy & then the attempt to maintain the policemen of the world facade as the dominoes of our screw ups continue to fall is depressing. We have, dictators included, helped to destabilise a fragile region. Not just the naked greed side of our governments but the liberals with Dewey eyes looking back with rose tinted glasses at the glorious revolutions of the western worlds past (tags like "Arab Spring" FFS). Lets forget the bloodiness of a revolution, the brutality of all sides. The fanatic tendencies required to carry it out and then maintain & rebuild from amongst the rubble and chaos. It's ugly and usually ran by very ugly people. There were more "citizens" murdered in the French Revolution than aristocracy. We only celebrate ours because we survived it or at least the last of them. Our "successful intervention" in the Balkans has doomed us to make the same bloody mistake of applying a template to everywhere. You can't pick a side of a revolution; you just wait and insure it doesn't spread to your borders. Every attempt to interfere or aide one side is remembered with hate & surprisingly it's remembered with hate by the side you help more often than not: Afghan Mujahideen anyone? Lybia, Saudi's, Syria &Turkey has been bubbling. (The Israel debacle continues) And the worst? We drove the minority Taliban from a large, sparsely populated country into a densely populated country with a large portion of that rural population (particularly the area they've move into) very poor & uneducated outside of the madras. Then we condone the US to randomly bomb with drones that very population trying to hit the needle in a hay with a bush fire. And this country has Nukes. It's a 70 year out of date US foreign policy (in response to their first error of isolationism in the face of Facism pre WW2) and we're skipping along with it. We can't seriously think preaching multiculturalism at home while interfering with the home countries of our immigrants to their populations disadvantage will result in anything other than what we have seen produced within our own borders.do one or the bloody other. Hands joined around the world or a Japaneseque attempt at preserving your culture from outside influences. That's is seen as racist in our country but is the exact goal of many of these revolutionaries in theirs: Remove our cultural, political & economic influence. I don't blame them. We fought most of our wars against our European counterparts to do exactly the same. when it comes to internal revolt, I'm sorry, offer to mediate but other than that sit back, listen and wait to see if the winner is anti you without your help. Deal accordingly thereafter. Callous but realistic. Too late now. And wait until an aggressive China with its economic bubble burst advancing throughout that region adds to the simmering pot. We will live in interesting times.
An example of the bullshit put out by the media, people make choices and if those are in opposition to what we are led to believe then it must be brainwashing? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22745616
Syria detator Bashar al-Assad can only remind of Muammar Gaddafi of Lybia and Saddam Hussein of Iraq.I can only think that the end is near for Bashar al-Assad of Syria.His people and foreigners are dying in thousands.Whenever they catch him and want to execute him he is likely to say "it is unIslamic to kill".What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Another good article from a friend of mine from uni. Shows just how little the UK, US and France can actually influence the situation for the better, and how they are not actually doing anything that could really help the people of Syria. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-christopher-phillips/flawed-logic-in-decision-_b_3353529.html
Seems to me that the basic beef of these people is teh right to self -determintaion. We get upset at storeis of Christmas being banned because of Muslim pupils being upset in some schools, and have growing concerns about the appearance of Sharia courts, no-go ghettos as attacks on our way of life. These people in the middle east for a long time suffered under puppet regimes with idealogies at odds with teh general populace, but couldn't move because the regimes were propped up by foreign interests. Why are we surprised that they rise up and fight when they get the chance? Our governments do not want there to be democracy there unless it is in a form that is in the wests interests. The west will happliy put up with any form of government so long as it ensure western interests are maintained. FOr us as the voting public, we just need to keep watching the news keep believeing our politicians, and nod to the call of protecting our interests. However, if some Syrian dude decides his goivernment is corrupt, tyrannical, and undermining the core beliefs and culture of his society, he has every right to stand up and defend/fight, just as we would in this country if we were under similar rule. Obviously every particular country has its nuances and complications, but the similarities are there to see too. The Great GAme as Balfour put it is very much on - there is a famous paper from the period in which the stategy of the western powers for the region was to create countries in which there were split groups to ensure instability, e.g Iraq has a large Shia grouping, kurds to the north, sunnis to the east. Same in Afghanistan. All going to plan I guess. The news in this country has long been mediated and it alway strikes me how similar the stories and running order of all teh mainstream news channles is. Not only that but we get 10 seconds of teh presenattion of basic known facts, and then 5 minutes of conjecture from so-called "experts", whose job it is to press home some messges or other. Why is there no mention on BBC/ITV of teh scandal in US with Monsanto and GM foods. Thousands of people marching , but no mention here.
Now the US are again supplying weapons to al-Qaeda when it suits, supporting Jabhat al-Nusra in Syria who are linked with al-Qaeda as an affiliate. Yet again the US are essentially putting weapons into the hands of those who would use children as combatants to suit their own agenda. The so called evidence to allow for this supply of weapons to the rebels is as trustworthy as the Russian evidence that Finland attacked them in 1939 when the Soviets fired a few mortar rounds into an empty field or the Iraq WDM claims. It is no coincidence that this proof comes about as the rebels start to lose this war. Apparently cutting hearts out while children watch and eating them is OK as well as having children carry out executions but dubious evidence about chemical weapons is crossing a red line, the syrian state knows the use of these weapons will give reason for external intervention and that it would be counter productive to use them, not that I know if they have or not. The US on the other hand have been using depleted uranium rounds using napalm like fire attacks on civilian areas and testing new weapons in Iraq as well as allowing and even aiding religious mass blood letting as long as the oil flows and the "reconstruction" contracts are gained as well as the rearmament of the state also continues. America needs wars to sustain its massively over consumerist economy. There is no other possible way to maintain an economy that funnels all the wealth into very few hands without wars to bring in wealth from outside its borders. When you have military personnel leaking classified documents into the public domain and former CIA staff leaking "secret" court order information that the government is spying on its own people you know things are seriously wrong. Especially when the former CIA employee flees to China.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22916329 American people are just people, as in any other country. It is the evil bastards running the country or rather those behind the people running the country. There is nothing evil about American people their culture or traditions, every society has its faults, I ain't about that. Gotta hand it to them, these people with a plan kill 3000 of their own US citizens on 9\11 after rigging the biggest democratic elections in the world when Bush jnr became president and they done it in a way that people just don't give a ****. No one is even willing to look at the facts, the country is sewn up for the very few. There are many who see what is happening, the thousands that marched on Wallstreet but they are the very few that care enough to get off their arses to take some action. They are not angry bitter people, they are educated informed people angry at what they see is happening to their country. Don't take my word for it, there are millions who speak out against everything from 9\11 to Palestine, including Israeli expats, to atrocities after having served in the military abroad, none of which get airtime by the media. The gleeful murder of a Reuters journalist and civilians is covered up. One of thousands of war crimes never to see justice or in that case without Manning, the light of day even though Reuters have tried for 2 years to get that information. Now two major leaks in Bradly Manning and the other guy who leaked the information about secret court orders. Why the NSA are spying on the US population, it is easy, dissent is being snuffed out, congregation in opposition to the status quo is being snuffed out. The media are firmly under control and anything that may unite the population in disgust never sees the light of day. Any individuals who have the chance of making any impact are demonized and ostracized. A sewn up nation with the illusion of choice to vote in elections for either of two people who serve the same masters. never mind the support for people like Mobutu a friend of Bush Snr, says it all about US foreign policy
"Gotta hand it to them, these people with a plan kill 3000 of their own US citizens on 9\11" Oh behave. This is brought to us by the same logic and science of those tits who claimed the moon-landings were faked and the Royal family are shape-shifting lizards. It doesn't help the counter view of western hegemony (as recently detailed by Oliver Stone, check it out) by coming up with ludicrous and easily refutable conspiracy theories to promote your cause. We should stay out of Syria and just supply the Red Cross?crescent, and give funds to neighbouring countries to put up refugees. FFS, DON'T send our teenage boys there to be ****ing mutilated and killed. We've ****ed up the Middle east for centuries - don't make it worse.
"Gotta hand it to them, these people with a plan kill 3000 of their own US citizens on 9\11" Oh behave. This is brought to us by the same logic and science of those tits who claimed the moon-landings were faked and the Royal family are shape-shifting lizards. It doesn't help the counter view of western hegemony (as recently detailed by Oliver Stone, check it out) by coming up with ludicrous and easily refutable conspiracy theories to promote your cause. We should stay out of Syria and just supply the Red Cross?crescent, and give funds to neighbouring countries to put up refugees. FFS, DON'T send our teenage boys there to be ****ing mutilated and killed. We've ****ed up the Middle east for centuries - don't make it worse.
