I agree it's Laudrup's problem Dai but by all accounts this has been going on for donkey's years and he's probably been back to Holland numerous times. As for taking money - we don't know so let's not jump to conclusions. Had he been guilty you'd think he'd have been sanctioned by the authorities some time in the last 18 years, and possibly been banned from coaching. Again, don't believe everything you read in the papers.
Dai its nothing to do with FIFA as its a civil matter beyond their remit. And mate you are presuming that Ajax will win this case, can you tell me how you know this? The whole point of going to court is to determine liability, the court could equally say he has nothing to answer for. And after 18 years that is a distinct possibility, the laws here put debts it statute barred after 6 years (5 years in Scotland) of no acknowledgement by the alleged debtor
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/default.aspx?pageid=438&n=ajax-taxman-cometh-2001-05-30 An article on the original investigation. Ajax made the payments as an agreement with ML. The dutch revenue went after Ajax... I see it as the buck stopping there. Ajax were being naughty and were doing exactly what Rangers got punished for. I haven't seen Rangers go after their old players.
He has been accused of fiddling a transfer fee to his own ends and its now come to a conclusion so of course the football authorities are entitled to look into it....If he owes back taxes to ajax that they have already paid for him to get the club out of trouble then they have the right to sanction court proceedings to get their money they are owed...remember ajax was fined over 5 million euros for the illegalities by laudrup....this wont go away not now it wont. the court will see to that...
Dai you are still at it, there is no illegalities as this is a civil matter now, you appear not to know the differences between civil and criminal. Do you think the Dutch tax authorities would be placing adverts in newspapers to chase tax? Ajax have little chance of getting anything out of this, as its been proved already that they were olin the wrong and they have paid the taxes, they also got a refund of part of that on appeal. This looks like a speculative demand, and it will have no meaning outside of holland. Civil disputes are not normally enforceable across state lines.
This seems to suggest debts are enforceable across EU states. http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/publications/docs/guide_litiges_civils_transfrontaliers_en.pdf ...but Ajax haven't won this case yet so there is no order to enforce as I understand it. That said, Laudrup hasn't been outside the EU so why now? It may well be that he would argue that as Ajax paid up there was never an enforceable agreement that he should reimburse them. It could be they are just chancing their arm.
AFC Ajax NV have been threatened with new charges of tax evasion. AFC Ajax NV is not Ajax the football team but the holding company. Previously, AFC Ajax NV were taken to court for tax evasion and found to be 'partially guilty' for making illicit profits on monies gained through football related outlay. AFC Ajax NV lost were warned that they were to conduct their business appropriately or face 'the full weight of the law'. A major point during the Tax man Vs AFC Ajax NV surrounded undisclosed signing on fees paid to players who signed for Ajax football team and also on monies received by Ajax football team over and above the disclosed transfer fees by officials (the undeclared bit) from the buying clubs. The tax authorities declared that such payments and receipts constituted a large portion of the business of Ajax football team and the prosecution designed a projected tax bill based on open profits made by Ajax as a direct consequence of such payments. This was the heart of their case. The tax man felt AFC Ajax NV was guilty of tax Evasion (illegal) and Ajax maintained they were only guilty of tax avoidance (not illegal). AFC Ajax NV dragged every one to court as a legal shield to hide behind including, Ajax football team directors and over 42 players, one of who was Mr. M. Laudrup. The players union responded to this by refusing players attend the court and sent their lawyers to attack AFC Ajax NV. Several players tax records were made available to the court, including Mr. M. Laudrup, showing payments and tax paid. Ajax football team also exposed their records showing payments made and received for transient players. AFC Ajax NV declined to reciprocate. Much mud slinging later the court finally declared that AFC Ajax NV hadn't avoided paying tax but as they did not disclose payments to/from players as advised to them by Ajax football team, that the payments themselves were sanctionable and so unlawful. In defense AFC Ajax NV admitted the payments but denied they were unlawful made. Since then AFC Ajax NV have taken the stance that as these payments were proven unlawful that they would like them back. The players have obviously told AFC Ajax NV Fekk Off. To contact Laudrup is simple, call the club, the liberty, his homes, his agent or write. AFC Ajax NV have declined to do this. Instead, as they now may be facing fresh charge of tax EVASION (illegal, avoidance not illegal) they taken out a despicable add to muddy the waters again. The add itself is under scrutiny of Dutch authorities and could itself be considered both salacious and unlawful. Dai, if you want to continue to entertain us then it may help you if you did a little research before you wum; there's a good boy
Good write up stumpy, but Dai was right to post this up. Pointless pretending it doesn't exist, and nobody can say it's not relevant. I agree though, he does seem to delight in anything that hints at our misfortune.
And that is one if the several reasons many are getting very pissed off. That and the condescending/patronizing attitude, rudeness and strange bias. If he were from another team (many argue he is) he would not be allowed to post.
Even if this is possible and it looks like in general it's for the small claims track, I can't see them getting a judgement for something from 18 years ago, there is still the statute limitations of this that I believe exists in holland like here. And looking at stumpy's post, there were 42 players in total, if this was with merit the claim would have to be to all 42 players equally, so that would divide the figure by that much.
I think Stumpy has the measure of this issue, very good post mate, clearly there is some dimwit at AFC Ajax NV, who obviously doesn't like Laudrup!........... By the way, I don't see any issue with this subject up for debate, it is after all our manager!..............
The major claim against AFC Ajax NV, if brought, will be held under Dutch Administrative Law. The cases taken against the players, if brought, will be held under Dutch Civil Law. Evidence from one can not be presented simultaneously in another. AFC Ajax NV, allegedly, are setting up a well used legal barricade, their intention being to hide evidence from the Administrative courts prosecution with the Civil courts defense. Remember, same evidence can not be heard in two courts where the evidence is being used in another court. Reason for this is that arguments made in one Law court (Administrative) are not permissible in another ongoing case in another court (Civil). If that was allowed to happen we'd end up with arguments of one court being used as defense or prosecution in another. As neither ongoing case has reached a verdict neither are legally binding and so we'd end up with a legal race with one court competing against the other in order to return a verdict first. Clever eh!
Actually a certain poster is actually a certain group. Not one individual but definitely more than one.The difference in style and subject matter of the, more than one poster, is quite discernible if you take time to read what is actually written , phraseology, punctuation and the like ....which in my view explains the predisposition to a certain type of subject matter .
