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  1. Keith Fit

    Keith Fit Well-Known Member

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    Here's an interesting thought. We got 5th with a certain squad. We got into Europe and only really added 1 player to the pool. This wasn't good enough with the demands of Europe (assuming we believe Pardew, which the owner inexplicably does). Does it then follow that the squad good enough to finish 5th with that extra player, plus those we took on in January, should be good enough for top 6 again? I mean, we have added around 6 players to the squad that finished fifth and lost just one of that team - Ba. If Ba is replaced, would that spell the end of the Summer transfer activity aside from replacements? I believe it would. I think we will see the back of several players who should be gone - Obertan, Shola, Gosling - and we will not replace all of them, as some of this business is already done (Gouff for Obertan, MYM for Gosling, for example). I think we will bring in one striker of note - not necessarily a PEA or Gameiro - and then aim to clean up some cheapies and freebies. There will be no significant kitty, and Pardew has kept his job precisely because of this reason.

    Sorry, guys, but Pardew IN is only part of the bad news story of the day.
     
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  2. tigerrev

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    Don't forget Ruud Gullitt :D
     
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  3. Agent Bruce

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    How can we forget him?
     
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  4. Keith Fit

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    Ah, but with Gullit came hope. Hindsight is one thing - employing a known berk like Pardew in the first place is something else. No, Pardew is more Souness - we knew what was coming; it was a matter of when, not if.
     
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  5. Graham Carr's Binoculars

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    Well George Caulkin of the Times is pretty certain that Pardew is safe.

    Have to say if that's the case then we could sign Rooney, Fellaini & Baines and it still wouldn't get me excited for the new season. Every football fan needs hope, Newcastle fans more than most. With Pardew in charge I have none.
     
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  6. Agent Bruce

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    With the feeling the way it is among our fans, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them didn't try to do a job on Pards.

    I suppose he knows the possibility of something like that happening and will no doubt have some kind of protection in place.

    I think he'll be pleased to go at the end of the day.
     
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  7. Graham Carr's Binoculars

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    Is the hatred for him that bad up there???

    Have to say I don't hate the bloke, I just have no faith in his ability to manage this football club.
     
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  8. The mighty DeBOOSHy

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    Will people please stop quoting that indykaila guy as he is the biggest bullshitter, there's a parody account showing all the things he's got wrong (and subsequently deleted the tweets)...
     
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    Assuming the stories are correct and AP is staying I'll now put aside my reservations and get behind him and the team for the new season because anything other than this may be counter productive. I won't change my view that he's not the right man for the job, but I did recognise the need to be united.
     
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  11. Agent Bruce

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    Hhhmmmmm, I bet he'll like that.
     
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  12. Judge Death

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    Sounds like good plan to me
     
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  13. Keith Fit

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    Where does that leave Jonas?
     
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  14. Keith Fit

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    So wait - are you saying if you (and only you) don't get behind the team it might be counter productive? You're either Ashley, God or Sir Alex - no-one else can have that kind of influence.

    Bad jokes aside, you are right. It is a new season, and I guess the thinking from the owner is stability...for now...and let's see if 5th top or 5th bottom is this guys level. So we have to go forward with fans' enthusiasm and support the team, with the hope that the manager somehow makes enough notes and watches enough Youtube to improve our lot.

    I just want him to ensure we have an identity when the season comes. No shoehorning of players out of position, no fcking around game after game switching from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 to 4-4-2, just a clear identity based on the strength of players we have. Personally I think the 2 defensive-minded-yet-creative midfielders is the right way. Emphasis on fluid front 4, not rigidity on wingers tracking back. I think we have this kind of personnel, maybe we just need a clean slate to try again. In MYM we may have unearthed a very good full back, plus there'll be a few players coming back to something they know this time (Santon/Sissoko/Gouffran) who should have adjusted.

    I'd like us to play either 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2. Looks like the back 4 pick themselves at the moment - Debuchy, Taylor, Colo, MYM. Haidara offers cover in two ways - as LB for MYM, and then MYM as RB/Haidara LB for Debuchy. Clearly we need a 1st choice CB. I'd like to see Sissoko and Anita as the 2 DCM's. Tiote needs a break, Cabaye isn't that player, he's more Sneijder than Seedorf. Perch and Bigi are decent enough backup. Then I'd play a forward 3 midfielders of Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Santon. Gouff's better from the bench, from what I've seen from his fitness. The best thing about this is it pushes Jonas down to Perch's level, which is where he should be. Useful LM/CM/LB, but no more. Then this front 3 need to operate in a Ribery/Kroos/Robben way. Easier said than done, and Cisse up top isn't ideal, it's not his game. For me, Cisse should be used in the 4-2-2-2 model, or 4-4-2. He needs a partner, he's better feeding that way. He was with Ba, he played ok with Shola sometimes, but on his own with no striker near him he's a bit useless. So the big, big spend this Summer has to be on a decent number 9 who works in this kind of system. So look at the type of player other teams use in these systems. Lewandoski, Mandzukic, Drogba, Higuain, Ibrahimovic. I'm not saying we can get near that level, but that's the 'type' of player. Carroll's out, but what about Bony, Lavezzi, Benteke, Lukaku or someone else. I don't know PEA is the answer, given what we need - he seems a bit Cisse/Gouffran-ish. On top of that, I'd try and get Cabaye and Ben Arfa to score more, invest heavily in fitness and lifestyle coaches!!! I think we're not far shy of a top 6 squad, to be fair, as long as the manager improves infinitely and the players stay fit. If we win a few in the first month, I wonder how many players will just suddenly stay fitter....
     
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    Club captain more than likely
     
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    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Bony you might have a chance but forget the rest, all way above our level. I agree we need a player who can lead the line though. You need different kinds of options. If we want to go one up top at any stage it needs to be more like a Ba etc than a Cisse. Cisse may well look very good if you played 2 front men, whether that be with a Carroll type or with a Beardsley type, but he is not a leader of the line.

    Its about balance in your squad too. A manager will always play folk out of position if they don't have cover and bonified options in all areas. Even when you think back to Keegan, he'd rather have a couple of decent strikers than nothing at all.

    You'd have the likes of Paul, Kitson, Malcolm Allen or Alex Mathie. Not world beaters and not guys you'd want to rely every single week but gave you goalscoring options from the bench and some reasonable cover.
     
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  17. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Bony you might have a chance but forget the rest, all way above our level. I agree we need a player who can lead the line though. You need different kinds of options. If we want to go one up top at any stage it needs to be more like a Ba etc than a Cisse. Cisse may well look very good if you played 2 front men, whether that be with a Carroll type or with a Beardsley type, but he is not a leader of the line.

    Its about balance in your squad too. A manager will always play folk out of position if they don't have cover and bonified options in all areas. Even when you think back to Keegan, he'd rather have a couple of decent strikers than nothing at all.

    You'd have the likes of Paul, Kitson, Malcolm Allen or Alex Mathie. Not world beaters and not guys you'd want to rely every single week but gave you goalscoring options from the bench and some reasonable cover.
     
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  18. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Bony you might have a chance but forget the rest, all way above our level. I agree we need a player who can lead the line though. You need different kinds of options. If we want to go one up top at any stage it needs to be more like a Ba etc than a Cisse. Cisse may well look very good if you played 2 front men, whether that be with a Carroll type or with a Beardsley type, but he is not a leader of the line.

    Its about balance in your squad too. A manager will always play folk out of position if they don't have cover and bonified options in all areas. Even when you think back to Keegan, he'd rather have a couple of decent strikers than nothing at all.

    You'd have the likes of Paul, Kitson, Malcolm Allen or Alex Mathie. Not world beaters and not guys you'd want to rely every single week but gave you goalscoring options from the bench and some reasonable cover.
     
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  19. Albert's Chip Shop

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    probably on a new contract on twice the cash too :)
     
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  20. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Bony you might have a chance but forget the rest, all way above our level. I agree we need a player who can lead the line though. You need different kinds of options. If we want to go one up top at any stage it needs to be more like a Ba etc than a Cisse. Cisse may well look very good if you played 2 front men, whether that be with a Carroll type or with a Beardsley type, but he is not a leader of the line.

    Its about balance in your squad too. A manager will always play folk out of position if they don't have cover and bonified options in all areas. Even when you think back to Keegan, he'd rather have a couple of decent strikers than nothing at all.

    You'd have the likes of Paul, Kitson, Malcolm Allen or Alex Mathie. Not world beaters and not guys you'd want to rely every single week but gave you goalscoring options from the bench and some reasonable cover.
     
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