Sorting It Out

Look guys, we've really got to let some of this rubbish between us go.

I'm one of those Cardiff posters mentioned who's not been over here for the past two years. This is my first post on your forum in that time. Despite the general taunts of jealousy as the reason, as far as I'm concerned, it's not the case at all - you can believe that or not as you wish.

Since your elevation to the Premier league, our paths have gone separate ways this past couple of seasons, and neither club had any influence whatsoever in footballing terms upon the other.

Now we've got to the Prem, things on a personal level (as far as I'm concerned anyway) will be bound to change. Each and every game one team plays could affect the eventual fortunes of the other, not just when we play in the derby games. I have no doubt that many supporters from each side will take delight in the other club losing games and this will come across in the usual wumming that has become almost mandatory now.

My personal preference would be for both clubs to retain Premier League status next season with faily obviously, Cardiff finishing above Swansea. I can accept that there are those in both camps that are desperate for the other to go down. Can't quite understand that myself.

I've had some heated debates with posters like Aussie, Dai, VETCH, Phil and others in the past when we were competing in the same division and got it back both barrels from them. I must admit it got a bit silly on times and regret some of it, but that's the way it works on an open forum. If you don't want to run the risk of an aggressive retort, posters shouldn't make an openly provocative comment. Eventually it descends into a slanging match from which no one benefits.

The point I'm trying to make is that there is a reasonable limit, and it has gone way, way over the top recently. Dislike, contempt, and even hatred are words bandied about between rival posters - that's fair enough, but it all comes down to the degree to which you take it.

It's not up to me to apologise for other Cardiff posters who post pointless windup threads or comments with inflammatory language and expressions. They will do their thing and will doubtless get a response - the same will undoubtedly happen the other way as well. On the other hand, when a visiting poster on either forum makes a reasonable comment, some of the other side descend like a pack of wolves to ridicule them - now that's a big turnoff to forum banter and will inevitably drive some decent posters away.

Let's have one season at least together of decent banter before you go down.

 

Well said Sparkey

 

Hi sparkey,long time.

I just popped over to your Forum to see if your Cardiff version of this thread had received any response. I found no such thread. That said everything as far as I'm concerned.

There's too much history between our respective Forums,spark,for your thread to effect any real change in the attitudes and behaviour of certain,not all by any means,individuals.

Both sets of supporters hold deeply entrenched,partisan points of view,and that won't change. It's not just football that creates problems,it goes deeper than that.

Disputes can erupt out of virtually nothing,and full scale war ensues.

I rarely visit your place because I became tired of reading the same drivel,and dross,from the same people. The more moderate posters,by taking no action to rein in the purveyors of such trash, indicating by their inaction, that they felt the same.

I can only speak for myself,of course,but I do not look forward to next season,and the mass arrival of the rabble - rousers from up the road.

Have a good day.

 

It'll fade, LIBERTARIAN.

A couple of years ago when you got promoted we had to put up with a lot of your fans (new and old) giving it large. No doubt our number of users will shoot up a bit and you'll get gobby ****es coming over but they'll get bored after a few weeks into the season. We'll probably lose a few fed up decent posters though which is always a shame.

 

Vetch - if not seeing a copy of this thread on the Cardiff forum "says it all" to you, then you have a very narrow outlook.

This thead was posted on this (Swansea) forum explaining my reasons for not posting on the "Swansea" board this past two years, and consequently my reasons for posting over here now. Are you too blinkered to see that?

I do not wish to enter into another pedantic argument about motives for posting as it'll only evolve into another unresolvable discussion that will defeat the purpose.

Think what you want Vetch. Have a good day to you as well.

 

Well said sparkey.

Hopefully we can have a decent season full of banter and no hatred. Life is to short.

 

What I want is a trouble free Forum,and that's not going to happen when Cardiff fans invade it,and they will. History is on my side when it comes to making that categoric statement.

Sorry if you don't like my response to your thread. That's what I think,so no point beating about the bush.

PS. If you read my initial post I referred to the Cardiff version of your thread.

 

if they post crap they will be banned, simple and I would expect the same from the Cardiff mods if our lads do the same

 

I may be missing something here Vetch, but there isn't a "Cardiff version" of this thread.

What are you talking about or are you deliberately trying to cause an argument by being obtuse?

 

I assume he's pointing out the fact that you haven't posted this on the Cardiff board as well, and it takes both sides to see sense.

As far as I'm concerned I'd rather not read all this negativity every day and we've only just got back to talking football after some in-fighting. Let's just all be adults and ignore the wum's.

 

"I may be missing the point here".

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

Your thread is a plea for good behaviour in the forthcoming interaction between two sets of fans',viz,Swansea and Cardiff.

I was merely pointing out that there did not appear to be a thread of similar substance posted on the Cardiff Forum.

The inference that I drew from that is you feel we,i.e. Swansea fans', hold the key to this behaviour change,and that Cardiiff fans' are in no way culpable.

I hope that clarifies my stance.

Why would you assume that I was deliberately trying to cause an argument by being obtuse? Are you trying to cause an argument by asking that question?

 

To debate football everyone needs to be able to take the difficult debating points along with the easy points.
Also when another forum member posts polite good luck posts they shouldn't be subjected to childish comments.
This is an open forum for all to comment, the Cardiff and Swansea messageboards are component parts of the forum.

 

Fully agree with the thread - slanging gets old very quickly and digging up old arguments gets really repetitive (we've both had financial histories that we can't be proud of, we've both spent our time in the lower leagues etc etc etc).

I'd rather talk about football - To be fair, when I've gone over to the Cardiff site they've largely been fine (a few comments about suspecting my motives - but they certainly weren't aggressive).

It would be a good step to post this thread on the Cardiff site so we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

Oh dear,fish is whinging again about being treated badly on this Forum. Go away,you b....y nuisance.

 

Well said Goodland.

Sparks if not done already why not get it up on our board as well?

 

I have never been on the Cardiff forum - I have no desire to go on the Cardiff forum - other than the sometimes tenuous connection of being Welsh - they are nothing more to me than Stoke City - maybe less 'cos I once went out with a girl from Stoke.
Fish's coments about 'football debate' have no place in this discussion because NONE of the arguments are really about football - NEVER once have I seen a strong discussion about the merits of Bellamy versus Michu - It's always personal It's always provocative and it's always tribal.
My request at the first sign of any of the above - Mods please delete - know you're going to be busy but if both sets of Mods can try and do this, then there's no opportunity for the STUPIDITY to continue - Please don't tell me to ignore more people as the easiest ignore button is the 'shutdown' button on my computer and once again my civil liberties are infringed upon by MORONS in the name of free speech.
Now - for you up the road - who are you hoping to buy.
Aw **** I derailed the thread by talking about football - sorry

 

Get back on topic, lumber!

Why is it that some of the biggest wums feel the need to put up threads like this? Clash has already chanced his arm after a two year absence. Don't they realise that some of us have been around since the old 606? Sparkey, Clash, Prophet (Fishy?) - all were active wums back in the day. Some of the comments on the Cardiff board are very different in tone to what they say here. Wish us well? My ass. As Vetch says, why does the OP feel it's necessary to lecture Swans fans but not his own? This is a guy that's supported the odious Hughs, don't forget.

As I've said elsewhere, I detest the Moron Hughs but like me at least he's honest in his dislike of the opposition. I can't stand the fact they've been promoted and make no show of saying anything else. Never bought this 'good for Welsh football' crap. The only thing that's good about it is that the derby days are always special - mainly because we tend to do pretty well in them.

I accept others have a more touchy feely attitude towards them and I can respect that but I don't apologise for disliking them one jot. I've recently come back from Magalluf and many fans from other clubs I spoke to were pretty scathing about them, and in particular were very concerned about their fans' reputation for violence.

Trust me - most of them really want us to crash and burn despite what they say over here. The good news for some is that I for one can't envisage me being around much next season - I really can't face their crap again.

 

Knacker, I suggest you contact Bongo to confirm I am not Blue Prophet.
As for the rest of your comments, nothing new just the same old stuff from you and Lib.

 

I fully concur with you,Knackered,especaially with regards hughs. I have a modicum of respect for him since he is quite open and above board in his detestation of all things pertaining to Swansea.
No pretence from hughs,unlike most of his peers.
This thread,however, is vomit inducing with it's phony hint at bonhomie. There will be no bonhomie on display from up the M4.
Anyone who thinks otherwise,is in for a shock.
Why do they need to come here anyway? Didn't they tell us often enough that their games against Bristol City had more value/significance to them than those against Swansea?
Let them go and lord it over BC,(so sad they got relegated), the team that wears its red shirts with honour and pride and who don't feel the need to change their identity to appease some wealthy individual from the Far East.

 

A simple solution is to just make it easier to avoid all the crap threads if you want to.

ie set up some ground rules for both boards that the mods can easily police.

something along the lines of

When you post a new thread add 'NC' to the title if you don't want any Cardiff posters to comment or 'NW' if you don't mind if they comment as long as they don't wum. Cardiff forum can use a similar system too ie NS & NW.

The mods can easily police it by deleting any comments that don't follow those rules(without being subjected to a stupid free speech enquiry) and any persistent offenders can be warned/banned

A system like that will make it very easy to avoid 90% of the crap threads for decent posters and still allow wumfests for those that enjoy them