2nd longest serving manager in PL!! / Pulis to leave Stoke

With the news of pulls, pardew is now the second longest serving manager in the premier league.

Thoughts???

 

For those of you who don't know... Pulis is set to leave Stoke according to the BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22614097

My view is that it reflects well on the club to have stuck with Pards for quite a while (by our own standards).
It also now gives MA the opportunity to let Pards go if he so wishes... and he can trott out the 'he was one of the longest serving managers... etc...'

 

OP- I've added a couple of words to the title to make is clear what has happened. hope you don't mind fella.

 

No prob. Ditto your post!

 

Pulis wasn't a manager, he was only a tramp in a track suit with a cap.

 

Not a great reflection on the league that Pardew is second longest serving manager after only two and a half years. However that doesn't mean we should keep him.

However for those that point to Moyes and Everton as a reason to keep Pardew, I point to Pulis and Stoke as a reason why Pardew has to go. Pulis has had time and money yet he has been unable to evolve Stoke's style of play and progress them as a club. He did a great job in establishing them as a Premier League club and I'm pretty confident they'd have never been relegated under his stewardship, but I'm even more confident that they'd never have regularly been in the top 8 under him either.

It's very similar to Pardew's situation with us for me, I just don't see him having the capability to evolve our style of play to suit our personnel. We'll most likely not go down with him as our manager due to the quality of our squad, but I also very much doubt he'll ever have us challenging to top 6-8 league places again. It all points to the answer being that Pardew has to head towards the exit door for me.

 

If Pulis is deemed surplus to requirements, than wtf is Pardew with his "record breaking" season? Think we should follow suit and the only thing I hope is that as it's taken a couple of days plus a meeting to remove Pulis that a similar timeline will be on the agenda for Newcastle.

 

Can we get Pulis in as a set-piece coach?

 

Embarrassing for modern football as a whole, chairman/owners and fans. No common sense and no patience. Pulis did a good job with Stoke but it wasn't pretty how he got there! we should try and nick Gerry Francis who I believe did their set pieces.

 

Is it embarrassing? It was hardly a kneejerk reaction, it didn't happen mid-season and was after seven years. It's pretty common in the real world to look at changing things up every 5 years or so, to bring in new ideas and maintain ambition. It's certainly much less embarrassing than Mancini, McDermott & Atkins being fired in the manner that they were.

 

I think you misunderstand me mate. I'm not criticising the Pulis departure, merely the OP's request for thoughts on Pardew now being the longest serving manager. It just sums up the modern game and the managerial merry go round. The sackings you mention being good examples of how knee jerk it is. Pulis, SAF, Wenger, Moyes all given time. I'm sure Wigan would give Martinez as long as he wants too. All too often though (and we're one of the worst offenders) managers get pushed at the first sign of a bad trot or a poor season.

 

Ah, yes I misunderstood you. I agree with the point you made.

Worth noting though that a few trigger happy teams impact on several other teams. For example, both my team & West Brom have short serving managers due to Roy Hodgson taking first the Liverpool and then the England jobs. No one would fault him for making those steps up, but it reflects badly (and unfairly) on two teams who had to get new managers. Although this is much less of an issue than clubs like Chelsea who have a new boss every year.

 

He was a better one than Pardew this season as we finished above you!

 

Won't find many toon fans disagreeing with you pal.

 

Same thing happened to you guys this season as what happened to us last season. The Europa league got in the way.
Newcastle will be a different side next season!

 

There is a few mitigating factors as you say but I think we all know that clubs and fans nowadays just have a complete lack of patience. Like you some clubs are left with no choice through movements. That has always been part and parcel of football. However the days are gone whereby you can afford to have a bad season. If you do you've lost the plot, become a bad manager and normally become a figure of hate. Even if you have done well previously he doesn't guarantee you any leeway. And (like in the case of Mancini), even if the unlikely happens and the fans are still on board, the chances are that the rich guys running the club won't be! Its not just football though, its life in general, we want everything faster and don't deal well with adversity.

I'm one of the few left in our support who is quite happy to see Pardew given more time to actually find out what his level and style of football is. I like the guys passion for the club and football in general. He has had a really poor season and our football has gone backwards after initially progressing in terms of being less direct. However I haven't forgotten his first full season which was full of promise and progression. Not just in terms of league position but defensively and in the planning for games. The football in the 2nd half of the season reached scintilating levels and the excitement of our Spring run towards Europe was great fun. The Europa only partly explains the fall back though so if he does keep his job, he'll need to start getting the basics right again!

All that said its not always wrong to get rid of a manager either. Sam Allardyce at us for instance. Everything about him was a bad fit for the football club. He went against the ethos completely, the fans disliked him before he came and he should never have been appointed. When Bobby Robson decides to pass comments about playing "carpet football", you know you are not in touch with the club. The great man rarely had a bad word word to say about any manager and offered nothing but encouragement. I couldn't wait to see Sam gone and I'm someone who always likes to give people time. He just had me depressed every Saturday afternoon. I was discussing with a few people recently and it was uncanny how many gave up their season ticket at around that time.

 

The ones which do disagree won't be responding because where they are they're only allowed to write with soft crayons.

 

Is he not the 3rd longest serving manager? with Mr Wenger and Mr Martinez ahead of him?

 

Premier league?

 

Oh apologies lol!! Keep forgetting Wigan are gone