Article: Watford V Leeds united, match thread Watford FC Football

Marko, why do you keep saying "imagined" dirty tag? The whole World thinks Leeds are a dirty team and the vast majority of Leeds fans agree and are PROUD of it!

 

Mixed bag of emotions on here tonight, understandable I guess but Watford 3rd Hull 2nd wasn't decided today, it was decided over the course of a season to which luck and decisions even out.

If I were a Watford fan my biggest concern would be have the players got the bottle to push on now.

 

Our 10 outfield players were also better than yours. And as I've said, I really don't think either of our goals were the fault of your keeper.

1. Poleon's yellow was fair, you punish the action not the consequences, leading to...

2. Deeney's lunge was reckless, his legs/feet didn't make contact with Brown, but his arm swept Brown's feet away. The lunge alone was a borderline yellow/red, and I should remind you it was a second yellow given, not a straight red.

3. You can argue you should have had a penalty, so can we.

We won the game fair and square, as much as the result may sting for you.

 

Because it's a load of bollocks. It's imagined because it's on the basis of the Revie team who were no dirtier than any other team, they were just better at the tough side of the game than other teams. The only thing they were guilty of is the professionalism that you'd consider standard in today's game that was unheard of in those days.

The other basis is of course our "dirty" "violent" fans. Our fans are no worse than any other clubs fans, as indicated by the countless incidents of fan violence. Whether it's a Huddersfield Town fan smacking Alan Smith (would you call Huddersfield dirty? I doubt it) or an incident of a Sheffield Wednesday fan assaulting a player (those same Sheffield Wednesday fans who were in an uproar over "dirty Leeds" assaulting Kirkland), or whether it's Newcastle fans attacking police. I've heard countless incidents of horrible fan violence between Ipswich and Norwich. Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday are always involved in fan violence. manchester united have their fair share of arrests at hostile games. Chelsea, West Ham, Millwall, all have violent fans. The newly appointed Premier League members Cardiff City and Premier League Swansea City have been known to start fights with each other at WALES INTERNATIONAL GAMES. You'd be hard pressed to find a club that doesn't have a problem with fan violence, yet Leeds is the only one that's "stuck in the 80s".

If you're prepared to look there's an astounding number of incidents of misbehaving fans that don't involve Leeds, but for some reason they get brushed under the carpet and nobody seems to notice. There are countless more incidents of fans of other clubs attacking Leeds fans without provocation OR response, which are ALWAYS put down to the fault of Leeds. There was an incident of police brutality the last time we visited the New Den, with a member of the met police smacking an innocent fan around the head, on video.

I've seen Leicester fans throwing bottles at us, unprovoked, and being ejected for it. I've seen opposition fans get thrown out of grounds for attempted violence against us. I've seen fans of opposition get arrested for attempt violence.

Everyone has their nutters, but you don't go round calling any of these other clubs dirty. I will always argue against any tag that I deem to be unjustified. Or rather, it may be justified, but by that you are required to give the same tag to practically every other club in the entire league.

What about players? Oh dirty Leeds have that scumbag Diouf, a match made in heaven... but what about Troy Deeney at Watford? Joey Barton was at QPR. Ched Evans at Sheffield United. The league is filled with disgusting players, and the fans of those clubs that employ them are always willing to judge the players entirely on performance - we do that just like anybody else, and he's been one of our best players.

 

Good to have you here ristac - you represent the sensible side of Leeds. I can't believe how defensive Marco is - can he not understand how it feels on the day your promotion push came off the rails - does he seriously think our thinking wont have some emotional overtones today - or is he just another WUM who likes predating on people who are miserable? Leeds and their fans have earned a reputation over many many years and whether or not it is still deserved his type of comments just mean it will linger - there was plenty of evidence of it in the match thread today. Surely the worst example of opposing fan comment we have had here all season - and that includes Millwall. "WE don 't give a F*ck , we're Leeds"

He should look at the Hull board if he wants to see how reasonable fans behave - gracious in victory and defeat

 

You are having a laugh aren't you? We were beaten fair and square. If we'd created more chances and not been so flat for long periods of the game the goalkeeping situatuion would not have mattered. Leeds were good value for the win.

 

Of course it does, and you're well within your rights to feel sad, but blame your own team, not us. Don't bring up irrelevant, inaccurate stereotypes to make yourself feel better. You lost because your team weren't good enough on the day, and you should be aiming your frustrations at them, asking why they never showed up for it. Ask yourselves even further why your fans didn't seem that interested. Only singing I heard was from the Leeds fans, if all you could hear was the crowd you'd have thought Leeds were on the verge of automatic promotion. Having been in that situation recently, we know the value of the 12th man. Why aren't you blaming your crowd for not giving your team that extra push? Why aren't you blaming your crowd for not creating the sort of atmosphere that would have put pressure on our team?

I'm defensive because most people look outwards and blame irrelevant things for shortcomings because it's easier than accepting that they are the only ones to blame. Watford lost today because of Watford, no other reason.

 

In actual fact your keeper was the difference - what the hell did he think he was doing pretending to be lev Yashin for the day?

 

Don't know, but we're talking about the same keeper who almost gave the title to manchester united last season with his acrobatics.

That cocaine must be good stuff

 

Fair and square implies an even playing field - we did not have that - our preparations were disrupted in the warm up by Almunia's injury and then the injury to Bond change d the rest of the game. I am not blaming Leeds for that - before the idiot Marko jumps in again - but when you have a dose of bad luck well beyond the normal it does not make it a fair and square day

To suggest that the loss of Almunia alone would not have affected the entire team is wrong - we saw how our form dipped when he got injured a few weeks ago - he is a captain and helps the entire team - but to lose his understudy as well and play someone who has never played first team football for us before in such an important game is of monumental effect.

Can you honestly say you think the game would have been remotely the same if Almiunia and or Bond had been there - if so it is you that is having a laugh

We got beaten - by unbelievable bad luck - that is just a fact not a moan. I expected Hull to win today so am not bitter about the result but you must surely see it was not a "fair and square" day for us

 

I didn't see the game, I have seen the push that resulted in an injury, it was a nothing to do incident that you see every game, unfortunate that it resulted in a player getting injured but a freak accident nothing more and certainly not dirty. Marko says it as he sees it, he is just as quick to slate Leeds if he feels we played bad or when things are wrong.

At the end of the day it is all personal opinions, I generally avoid match threads as someone is always going to feel cheated, upset or disappointed with the result. I do think many Watford fans felt 3 points were assured and this season in this division we have all seen some crazy results?

If Watford were not up for it today maybe the loans that have taken you to this position will be the downfall?

 

But how far are you willing to push the even playing field argument? Does it go as far as loaning 12 players that you can't afford to bring in on permanent transfers using your own means?

It depends where you draw the line. You began the game with 11 men. 11 men deemed good enough to play for your club. You didn't lose due to luck, you lost due to the players you did have being unable to rise to the occasion. Being able to triumph in the face of adversity is the sign of a good team. No use blaming the adversity, blame the team.

 

Will you just bugger off? I hate people who use facts and logic to win arguments

 

Watching your team triumph in a similar situation and being able to clearly put the blame where it is due helps. Max Gradel got sent off for letting a Bristol player provoke him into losing his temper, we blamed Max for putting us up against it. But our fans created an atmosphere that only players with the highest mental strength could play in without crumbling under the pressure, and our players rose to the occasion.

Seeing a team and a set of fans fail to do that makes me sad, but it's nobody else's fault.

 

We were short of 3 key players before kick off, had a player removed from the starting line up immediately before half time and made a substitution within the opening minutes after an injury not dissimilar to Bond's.

 

Also that. We also had to withdraw a player who was injured in the warm up.

 

For the record it's "We're Leeds United, we don't give a ****", and as for the worst comment, that has to go to the sick **** North North Watford, who glorifies in the murders of two innocent Leeds fans by Turkish scum.

 

Yes, this was not mentioned on here but on a thread on the Hull board.

He mentioned that that song "would have been sung" if "we were as classless as Leeds" - the irony that even mentioning it means he has absolutely no class completely escaping him.

 

The point I was making is that it's ironic that a set of fans who were completely united (as was the whole of English football) in the racist murders of two of its fans, would allow large sections of its own to liberally hurl racist slurs at other clubs. But each to their own.

 

For the record we have played 9 players from abroad regularly this season - by that I am defining it as more than 3 games. The market value of those 9 players is approximately £10 million. If Pozzo had put £10 million into our bank account from his - they both belong to him - and then paid himself £10 million we would have had 9 players that we had bought. How would that have been any different. £10m is not a lot when you consider that Palace sold and then loaned ONE plazyer worth £15m. Cardiff have no loan players but have gone £80 million into debt buying them. Get over the loan thin g - we have.

We lost because the loss of your only two keepers in the first few minutes of a game is devastating - we dont moan when we lose the odd outfield player but a keeper is KEY