Just thought I'd make a note on this thread that the issue of priority of tickets for next season will be raised at the FLAG meeting.
Can someone raise again the issue of this Hull Tigers malarkey? In my opinion it's a non-starter and the argument about it being for marketing makes no sense at all to me. If we have a logo, it should represent the club and follow trough on all products and merchandise. What's happening looks very much like someone trying to sneak a naff idea in trough the back door. We are Hull City, nicknamed the Tigers. We're very proud and happy with that. Hull Tigers or Hull City Tigers just screams naff and tacky.
Could you ask who's Idea it was for the Youth Team to receive the league trophy on the pitch at 7.20 against Bristol City. They then had to do a lap of an empty KC?? It was more demoralizing than not have a presentation at all. Very poor from the club.
OLM. This is the first I've looked at this thread so apologies if I'm saying something that's already been said or is already in practise, but the FLAG idea is a brilliant one. It has the potential to become anything from a seriously powerful lobbying group or (I'm sure this will rankle with some) a trades union for football supporters. However the key for me is that FLAG really should represent all of the fans in the country and thereby become an organised voice that neither the football authorities nor other groups like the police could afford to ignore. If our problem with the WYP was handled by such a national body the FL would have been obliged to get involved as possible intermediaries. Also consider that with a single voice supporters could put great pressure on the football authorities to re-introduce standing areas and other improvements the fans may want. Who knows we could even end up with decent meat pies!! FLAG would finally give supporters a chance to influence the way we are treated (or mistreated), but only if it is well represented. If the group only represents one or two sets of fans it will be ignored by 'the powers that be', but beyond that it could become very effective. So in my humble opinion the way forward would be to moot the idea to as many fans as possible to guage their reaction / enthusiasm and the obvious method would be via message boards like this. A cross-board thread would be an ideal starting point. Go for it Brother Lambretta!!
The FLAG has been set up to give City fans a voice at the club, it's only concerned with issues relating to Hull City. There's already the Football Supporters Federation, who have 180,000 members, who speak on behalf of fans of all clubs.
Please excuse my ignorance. FLAG clearly isn't the body I thought it had the potential to be then. It's a shame though because the FSA seemed quite ineffective in our dispute with the WYP and it would have been nice if they or another group had the teeth to influence such decisions.
I think the FSF do a decent job, they played a large part in the binning of the plan for the 39th game in the Premier League and their campaign for Safe Standing is going well and trials will happen shortly and I expect them to be implemented in all new grounds(and some old ones) in about a year or so.
As the next meeting is on the final day of the season and the club has said they're going to try and find a new sponsor if we've been promoted the deal won't have been finalised by then. Can we ask if it would be possible to sell replica shirts without the sponsor on and how much extra we'd need to pay for those shirts if we could. Being able to do that would avoid a repeat of the situation with the current sponsor where the club has lost sales through there being a fair few fans who just won't buy anything with their name on. It can't make too much of a difference to the price a company would be willing to pay, with totesport they weren't allowed to sell child sizes with the sponsor on but they were still financially the best offer we had at the time. That could actually allow the club to make more money, if it doesn't affect what they receive from the sponsor too much even just an extra £5 on the price of each shirt gives fans the choice, and the sponsor can spin it as them subsidising the price of the shirt for those who choose to have their name on it which is good PR for them. Maybe if the plan is £42 a shirt put the sponsored ones at £40 and the unsponsored ones at £45. Assuming a roughly even split the revenue is the same but there's PR all over it.
If a club can sell shirts without the sponsor on, then who on earth would sponsor us? The whole point of shirt sponsorship, is the fact that every fan is a walking advert, which is why no club sells sponsor free shirts, other than the fact that you can't have gaming advertising(or porn) advertised on kids clothing.
100% agree here. FLAG is a great initiative giving various City Fans groups a platform and direct dialouge with the club at the top as Nick Thompson Chairs/attends. Its at an early stage I think there's only been one or two meetings but it shows the club are keen to consult fans views. Clubs with an organised Supporters Trust already have that. I was very impressed with HTSA during "Huddersgate" and the protest. Amanda Jacks of the FSF gave huge guidance and helped shape ideas but the fans group reps involved eg Amber Necter, CI, OSC reps, Tiger Chat etc, who were all involved, together with HTSA took the action. City had several groups represented, and all pulled in one direction, but Huddersfield had just the HTSA with an organised structure. perhaps FLAG could offer that in future as all the recognised fans groups seem to be represented? Amanda of FSF brought other support , eg other club fans reps who have guidance on things such as the wording and submiting of FOI requests to WYPolice, eg the fans rep of a certain large club based in Salford was particularly supportive
PL teams are sponsored by companies so that their name appears on the television. Otherwise you wouldn't find alcohol and gambling companies sponsoring clubs when half or more of the shirts sold (ie all the kid's ones) can't carry the sponsor. What's the difference between that and having varied pricing so that the same % of shirt sales don't carry the sponsor?
Ricardo, no team has ever negotiated a deal where the kit sponsor can be removed from the kit if requested. They pay a fortune for the rights to have their name on the kit, you seriously think they'll pay all that money and agree to not have their name on the kit if it's requested? I've been an FA Cup sponsor and if anyone I sponsored suggested that they'd take my name away after I'd spent all that money, I'd set fire to the clueless twats. Twice.
Like I say, the reason PL sponsorships are done is for TV money and to have the players pictured in shirts with the name on. John Smith from Surrey and friends having the name on their shirt is not the reason. I think a PL club who came up with the idea and pitched it to sponsors that the shirt sponsorless would cost fans more and that the sponsor could claim all the PR of subsidising the shirts for fans who chose it is a possibility. Being the first club/sponsor to negotiate a deal like that would generate huge publicity (which is the whole point), and they would retain the vast majority of their existing international media coverage as the team themselves would still be displaying it. You'd be right to get annoyed at the suggestion if it was made after you'd paid all the money to sponsor the FA Cup. If you were told in negotiations in advance that they intended to make the offer then you'd be signing up to it knowing about it so it would be up to you. Where's the harm in asking potential sponsors if they want to try something a bit different to try to gain them greater exposure in the press?
It would be like selling advertising and telling the advertiser 'were going to put your advert in half our magazines, but in the other half we going to charge people extra so that they don't have to have the magazine cluttered up with your advert'. The harm in asking would come, if you got injured while being thrown out of your potential sponsors office.
You don't often get media coverage as a magazine for doing something different with your advertising. Clubs do something different it gets publicity and catches on.
You don't often get media coverage as a magazine for doing something different with your advertising. Clubs do something different it gets publicity and catches on.
Something about the way away tickets will be allocated should we get promoted to the Prem? Will it be a random ballot like last time or will there be a different way of doing it?
