The first time I heard the C word on telly was in the movie "Snatch" spoken by a great actor Alan Ford I don’t swear much in work or home life unless I am really angry and then I lose control of my vocabulary
Looking at it in a positive way, my outburst the other day has actually opened up an interesting debate! 3 threads and getting on for 300+ posts. Yes I know I was wrong to use the C word but we are all human and at times it is easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment. I am as passionate about my club as you are about yours and in this instance I let my passion boil over into what some will see as abuse. I accept that from now on I am merely a guest visitor onto your board and I will abide by the common language and courtesy that is expected.
The first time I heard the C word on telly was in the movie "Snatch" spoken by a great actor Alan Ford I donât swear much in work or home life unless I am really angry and then I lose control of my vocabulary
In his book, The Naked and the Dead, Norman Mailer had to use 'fug' because of censorship. When he was introduced to the actress, Tellulah Bankhead at a Hollywood party, she looked at him and said, "Oh, I know you - you're the man who can't spell ****!". Good use of swearing! On forums, though, it just gets in the way and contributes nothing, IMO, especially when abusive. Well said, JWM, and good to have you back.
Don't tell me you didn't expect someone to do this, but,............ for ****s sake Thai, what the **** are you going on about!!!
Going back to the days of the BBC606 website, we were not allowed to type any kind of profanity and the debates were all the better for it because you had to be far more subtle to get the desired reaction. With the introduction of 'swearing' on this site I think it has made us get a bit lazy in an arguement and we sometimes use profanity as a last resort. You only have to take a look at the threads on the Liverpool board to find some examples of some hard-core industrial language!
I did wonder, seeing as Thai did ask for this to be debated without resorting to swearing, if he was going to hit us at some point with something along the lines of, if this thread could contain no swearing, there's no excuse for it to occur on any other thread, and he may well have had a point... But you've blown that out of the water now...
Thai bor, swearing has been a contentious issue among professional players for decades, the feeling being that if it was ok to swear on the shop floor by workers, why should players be subject to a charge by the FA if they let loose on the field of play, as the field of play is their workplace. Obviously it has to be borne in mind the nature of the swearing. Misjudging the ball and swearing at the misfortune caused by the player's clumsiness directed at himself is totally different when invective is used against another player. As mentioned in a previous thread, and I unashamedly use the full word, **** has been used by Chaucer in his Canterbury Tales dating back to the Middle Ages, do we do what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and burn books just because some persons cannot deal with the English language as spoken by our forefathers.
Certainly not and I am not suggesting that for one iota bor, just gauging why people believe it is socially acceptable, which in theory is not actually true. To that end I will ask some more questions..... How many of you swear when talking to your parents or children? Very few (hopefully none). So why not? How many of you have sworn during an interview? I would guess none. How many of you made a written formal complaint that has included swear words? Very few if any I would guess. There could of course be lots and lots of other questions that would also point toward suggesting that it actually is not socially acceptable but yet it does appear to be of perhaps 99% of the UK population (myself included, although quite rarely).
We also wasted an incredible amount of time trying to work out why the **** innocent posts were removed and whether we could sneak something obscene in without the BBC mods noticing... I know I did anyway
Parents: Mother - frequent, father - occasional, children never. Interview: Of course not. Formal complaint: Of course not. What the ****'s your point Thai? There are times when you have to be professional as I said. Swearing is not used in a professional context and neither do I say 'I've just let one rip' or 'wow look at the arse on her' in an interview.
As far as i'm concerned there is socially acceptable, and professionally acceptable. Swearing is never acceptable in a professional capacity.
Another factor to take in to consideration................... Although when we talk we often swear effortlessly and without a second though, that is agreed regardless of whatever view someone may have about it, but to actually write it requires a conscious effort to use the word. Therefore why is it used when typing on to a forum? I really don't get it as it is intentional at the time of writing, it's not a slip of the tongue.
Basically because we aren't perfect Thai, sometimes people may use this forum as a release from a bad day at the office.
I just had to read your response Guru (but it's okay, your back on ignore ) I hope you don't think I am trying to suggest that I am perfect, far from it kiddo but I can control myself. Perhaps you need to get a cat in the office, you know, something to kick about the place when the mood takes you Edit: - or join Jonah in his anger management classes
I agree with Norkie's post. I am a referee at the weekends and of course on the pitch there is a lot of industrial language used during every match. My only proviso is the location where the match is being played. If there are houses nearby then I tell the captains before KO that I will not tolerate swearing with raised voices out of consideration to the local residents. During whole of my 10 years as a referee you can count on one hand the number of players I have sent off for foul/abusive language.
Not surprised if it regarded as part and parcel of the game. When I was a lad playing the game up to the age of 15, I really cannot remember any swearing on the pitch, yes there were aggressive conflicts, handbags and even the odd threat of a beating after the game, but never any swearing. The referees didn't even raise the subject as it just was not the normal thing at the time (mid to late 70's)
